Thank you for making this. This comes from a majority of the Trading Community with our gratitude. He has been a known issue and I'm glad someone with due diligence has taken the time and effort to create this report for others to see. Maybe something will come of this. If my proof wasn't enough with a single sale, maybe over 20 will be proof enough.

Hello, feel free to add to this. This will be looked into throughout the time the report is open and if any of these are disputed will also be taken into the result of the report.

Notes for mods:

Direct link to current reported user --> https://backpack.tf/u/76561198058954965

Old archive - - https://archive.ph/zPEb5

Latest archive - - https://archive.ph/mu23T

I have a correction pertaining to the Sapped Legendary Lid trade.

I reached out to the unboxer once I noticed it was sharked as I was curious how much ABC managed to shark it for. The unboxer corrected me and stated they traded 102 keys for it.

DMs: https://imgur.com/a/LyeXatu

Doing gods work here soldier. Even if some of these trades aren’t unbalanced enough to be considered sharking, the fact that this is a small fraction of how many trades he has made in the past year should be conclusive enough to warrant a backpack ban.

that explains why I received friend request out of nowhere

Given some of the previous unbalanced trade reports we’ve handled I’ll add this warning ahead of time:

Please do not leave generic comments on reports. Any comment that isn’t adding (counter) evidence is considered spam. Repeatedly doing so will lead to bans from the issue tracker. Thank you

Additional proof:

Revenant's Rack Demonic Dome (780 keys)

Paid 19 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1697587200/1697673600

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199195333571#!/compare/1697587200/1697673600 - Sold for a Demonic Impaler Airdog

Valuation for Airdog = 18.5 keys

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6533ad0ab45e109cd500e348 - Sales at 12 keys and 25 keys.

Valuation of Dome = 780 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198097102281#!/compare/1698969600/1699056000 - Sold with a Dead Head (20) for 800 keys

Edit: It turns out this is actually Trade 25 above (thanks Steve for point it out). And the Lid apparently matches which. However, the new sale on the Dome at 780 keys helps refinforce that trade as being insanely low.

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Isotope Glacial Glazed War Paint (Well-Worn) (>27 keys)

Paid <15 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198056544160#!/compare/1698192000/1698278400 - Sold for an Eldritch Horror Taunt: The Scaredy-cat!

Valuation of Taunt = <15 keys

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Eldritch%20Horror%20Taunt:%20The%20Scaredy-cat!&at=2023-11-04T15:40:32.798Z - Sellers at 15 keys. So this will be most 15 keys

Valuation of Paint = >27 keys

https://gyazo.com/ee9f0595ea8fef29407e29d534811010 - Buy orders at 27 keys

Doing God's work 👏

Ban this dude please, he added me from this website after i unbox a few unusuals and told me that he can give me a few keys for the unusuals because it only took me 17 keys to unbox 4 unusuals and he said i could get even more unusual unboxes and he gave me 30 keys for all 4. until i realized they were worth 600+ keys combined. I hope he gets banned. Thx.

How the backpack compare feature works is that it only captures the latest snapshot of the day, it doesn’t account for if someone trades away some items the same day. If you think mismatched one sided backpack compare reflects any trade it is most likely not accurate.

I have read through all these trades and most of them are completely wrong.

Please take your time to read below.

Evidence and objective facts are the only things that matter, subjective feelings do not matter.

Here I will provide objective proof below to address every single one and more.

Thank you.

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Let’s start with the comment above, if you are going to lie with a fake account, at least put in a little effort.

https://i.imgur.com/thgtH5z.png

https://i.imgur.com/0toKPGJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/SBy1pfX.png

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Now moving onto Lemon’s comment.

You are missing the full trade due to relying on one sided incomplete backpack compare.

Seller offered for my taunt +10 keys, I countered with +4.

Chat Proof: https://i.imgur.com/amieb8e.png

Trade History Proof: https://i.imgur.com/CBnZXvY.png

You are stating the seller is now at 15 keys. That’s today, not last month. You understand I couldn’t predict the future in November right? The lowest seller at the time of the trade was 30 keys.

Proof: https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Eldritch+Horror+Taunt%3A+The+Scaredy-cat%21&at=2023-10-25T21%3A37%3A00.000Z

You are stating the buy order of the paint is now at 27. That’s today, not last month. Once again I don’t have a crystal ball to predict the future. At the time of trade the highest buyer was 24 keys.

Proof:

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Isotope+Glacial+Glazed+War+Paint+%28Well-Worn%29&at=2023-10-25T02%3A49%3A00.000Z

And in case someone wants to say this is worth a gazillion, Isotope FT (better wear than WW) has been unsold at 33 keys since August, 3 months ago), Proof: https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Isotope+Glacial+Glazed+War+Paint+%28Field-Tested%29&at=2023-08-17T20%3A49%3A00.000Z

I have also tried selling the paint at 28 key on scrap.tf for a week through multiple 2-day auctions with zero bid.

Proof: https://scrap.tf/auctions/EGTB65 , https://scrap.tf/auctions/SK2J6T , https://scrap.tf/auctions/OT19G5

So this trade can’t be any more normal, but you are suggesting it to be problematic because you failed to realize

1. The trade you think happened is incorrect, backpack compare doesn’t show the full trade

2. I countered their offer

3. The sellers of the taunt were at much higher during the new event hype, which has now simmered down

4. The paint's buy order was lower at the time of trade

Thank you. Moving onto the next.

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Celestial Summit Legendary Lid

https://i.imgur.com/r7pOBUk.png Thank you Zeus, very based

A ton of people accused and harassed me of sharking this legendary lid, once again, all because of how backpack compare is useless and inaccurate when it comes to showing any actual trade.

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6536f2d815962768500705d6

This person made a price suggestion based on a one-sided backpack compare. Everyone saw it and assumed it is the truth that I only paid 500-600 for it.

Dozens of people calling me a shark, asking for a ban, etc.

PROOF:

Price Suggestion Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/kfEa35b.png

Dozens of Complaints:

https://i.imgur.com/ORAiH0K.png

https://i.imgur.com/j5Axzq9.png

https://i.imgur.com/sVEoJ1d.png

https://i.imgur.com/VpAarla.png

https://i.imgur.com/p8vkvPD.png

https://i.imgur.com/g9e8LOh.png

https://i.imgur.com/6f23qv9.png

https://i.imgur.com/cNVGCCT.png

https://i.imgur.com/FI8UjZN.png

People asking me to be banned:

https://i.imgur.com/rZCaAaZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/xGS9Ckn.png

https://i.imgur.com/9o27zbc.png

https://i.imgur.com/Vnyqxz4.png

https://i.imgur.com/MorAqRM.png

Got left negative trusts on my bp as well:

https://i.imgur.com/xsRPMVZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/PVdRl81.png

And many more complaints that I cannot see obviously.

All of this happened because of how flawed backpack compare feature is.

ANNNNNNNNND SOOOOO……………….. WHAT IS THE TRUTH?

The price suggestor missed out on 400 pure keys on my side due to the fact the seller sold the keys right away to cash out, so it doesn’t show on backpacktf compare. LOL. Good job only showing one side of backpack compare to create a false narrative. The correct trade would be around 1000. In fact, the seller fully cashed out from TF2 recently. If he cashed out on that very same day of trade, it would have shown I got the lid for free… This is how backpack compare works, truly brilliant.

And for those discord dwellers, the only similar effect priced within the past year is Cosmic Constellation (high tier galaxy), which got priced at 745 (was a full item trade too, unlike my liquid offer).

PROOF:

Proof - Trade History Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/oBnon6Y.png

Proof - Trade Chat Agreement: https://i.imgur.com/acXulCd.png

Seller Confirmation After: https://i.imgur.com/1cMQHaT.png

https://i.imgur.com/83Ull4X.png

Somehow Sardeenz understood the backpack compare was ‘funky’ and key amount changed at the time since backpack can update intraday, but he lacked the brain power to connect the dots that’s due to seller cashing out the keys at the time. Too funny.

Imagine grabbing your pitchforks and circlejerking in discord over a completely wrong suggestion lol… Guilty until proven innocent.

I am thankful that moderators will take the time to look at actual evidence, not clowns yapping on discords.

Guys, please stop relying on one sided backpack compare, it is really hilarious to see you guys circlejerking in discord everyday over all these wrong trades thanks to bp compare. Keep reading though, thank you.

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S Cloud 9 Legendary Lid

Wrong again. Stop using one sided bp compare lol.

Big trade Flaneur (Flan) offered 300 pure, so I beat his offer.

Sellers sold keys the same day, that's why it doesn’t show all the keys on backpack compare. Not only that, buy order was 275 at the time of trade. Why are you showing the buy order today? Was I supposed to predict the future?

Trade History Proof: https://i.imgur.com/G1OEwwi.png

Chat Proof of Flan’s offer + me beating Flan’s offer:

https://i.imgur.com/GF1gM15.png

https://i.imgur.com/aRo51DT.png

https://i.imgur.com/DlK6gEe.png

https://i.imgur.com/k7qs5Fi.png

https://i.imgur.com/7y7yntk.png

Turns out the old price is massively inflated for a cloud 9 effect (Green Energy priced at 490 just a few months ago). I offered to sell for 350 (10% profit) to traders like ultralow, frost, big cheeze, ancientpear, metalogic, etc and nobody wanted it.

I eventually just sold it to a bot. What is the problem here? Oh right, the problem is you relied on backpack compare, which is extremely flawed.

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Green Energy Decorated Veteran

Accusation: https://i.imgur.com/22yIULP.png

Trade History Proof: https://i.imgur.com/ZJoPVvD.png

Seller Confirmed: https://i.imgur.com/llQ5Guq.png

Accused of lying about not paying 500 pure, thanks to backpack compare again. Which is of course, wrong.

The seller received multiple offers from a bunch of big traders and mine was the highest pure offer he got. It is funny how I offered the most and there apparently is a problem.

The price suggestion was made after I bought it. Hat was unpriced. Why do you keep referencing price suggestion that would happen in the future? I cannot predict the future.

Also, highest buy order at ~180 at the time.

Before I traded it, I consulted high tier traders Metalcore, he suggested not to go over 500 for it: https://i.imgur.com/vxPao3Y.png

For reference, scorching flames (higher tier) just got priced at 1100. I struggled to sell this green energy (lower tier than scorching and also GE is 1of2) for the past 4 months, the absolute highest offer I got was 650 keys from Frankening, a backpacktf banned user.

I sold it to a bot eventually, after struggling to sell for 4 months. You guys are insane, always overvaluing everything, especially when it comes to niche illiquid items like this.

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Strange Isotope Health&Hell Shotgun

Accusation of paying 32 keys: https://i.imgur.com/bngQzLR.png

Guess what, wrong again. Stop using backpack compare please.

Actual Trade Screenshot Proof: https://i.imgur.com/BGKxoqf.png

The seller sold some keys right away in the same day. That's why some keys weren’t showing on backpack compare. You can also see he bought a bunch of taunts the same day.

Paid more than buy order for this unpriced weapon, you also conveniently left out the fact it got price checked at 120 keys by people in macaw discord right after.

While it is true I managed to resell for a profit, the fact is I paid above buy order, in full pure, and the shotgun is unpriced with zero prior sale.

What is the issue here? Selling something for profit is against the rules? Oh right, the issue is you relied on backpack compare again.

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F&F Onimann

So you guys claimed I paid below buy order: https://i.imgur.com/VzQ2sVg.png

So uh… yeah wrong again. Stop relying on backpack compare.

I provided the trade screenshot showing backpack compare is wrong, where I in fact paid more than the highest buyers, and now this report still is listing this trade?

Trade History Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/00dM05c.png

Once again you are using future sales that happened months after to frame a past sale? Plus, your valuation is incorrect. Seller specifically requested mandarin sheen with different effects which cost more than the cheapest ones at the time. The unusual hat also cost more than you suggested, from Merendas.

Highest buyer was at 162 keys: https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Forever+And+Forever%21+Onimann&at=2023-06-26T21%3A28%3A00.000Z

Let’s look at the facts, not feelings.

Fact 1: Hat was unpriced with no past sale.

Fact 2: I paid significantly more than the highest buyer.

Fact 3: I traded it away in a bulk trade to ancientpear. Bulk down grade > one hat. Modest was valued at 600, el jefe valued at 300, plus the pure, the onimann was valued at around 350.

If offering 40% more than the highest buyer for such an unpriced hat is problematic, and 99% of big traders have bought lots of unpriced hats even cheaper than this. Guess everyone should be reported?

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Eerie Kraken Onimann

Again, let’s look at the facts, not feelings.

Fact 1: Hat was unpriced with no past sale.

Fact 2: I paid more than double the highest buy order, with full pure.

Fact 3: The only priced effects at the time of trade were Soulful Slice(460) and Moth Plague(290).

Fact 4: I never had a single trade of more than 300 keys pure prior to this, was not experienced with more expensive items back then. I even thought I overpaid too much and asked for help in liquid discord.

Fact 5: High tier traders I consulted advised not to go over 500

Fact 6: Biggest Onimann collector Metalcore said he got his onis for 600 in items

Fact 7: Metalogic bought the Sunbeams Onimann for 850 then sold it for 2300 pure (outlier sale) within a month. Kolt bought Sunbeams Bedouin Bandana for 700 then sold it for 2000 in items. These niche elite grade hats naturally have high price ranges due to the illiquidity. And of course countless other instances of some unpriced hats being bought for X amount and resold for more than double. Nobody had a problem though?

Fact 8: ADB later listed the Sunbeams Onimann for sale at 1000 for 1.5 months and it went unsold, proving that the 2.3K sale was an outlier.

ALL Proof Below:

Top trader ultralow suggesting not to go over 500: https://i.imgur.com/QbB8OQK.png

Liquidtf discord priced the beams at <1K, and these are worth ‘whatever someone is willing to pay for”: https://i.imgur.com/WwJZz9b.png,

Sunbeams oni was traded at 850 then sold for 2300 within weeks before, a wild range is normal for niche illiquid hats like this: https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6388dd9ead7e9eb2db0d6bc0

You said you are not sure which one is the outlier? I am sure you know tho. Here I will help you.

The seller listed Sunbeams Onimann at 1000 for one month and a half and it never got sold: https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Sunbeams+Onimann&at=2023-02-09T02%3A46%3A00.000Z

The narrative that it is worth a lot more is obviously wrong. Plus, I still have not sold it after all these months.

Everyone called the beams onimann sale ape sale in discord as well:

https://i.imgur.com/MS3bd7Z.png

Not only that, for the Sunbeams Onimann, the seller made the offer to me, I did not reach out to the seller.

Remember when I purchased the Kraken Onimann, it was the first sale ever on this unpriced hat, I paid more than double the buy order, now you are using a FUTURE sale months later to accuse me, wtf? I cannot predict the future, I even thought I overpaid and was asking around in discord.

You made a price suggestion of the 548 sale (in all items), and Metalcore said he got his for 600~ (also in items), has it ever occurred to you that the high sale IS the outlier? Again, these niche elite hats have a wide range due to illiquidity, as seen on the 850-2300 range on the sunbeams onimann wayyyyy before I even traded for the hat. Or 700-2000 for the sunbeams bedouin bandana. And of course there are many more examples if I have to dig through all the niche elite grades, but I think these examples will do.

Lastly, to the keyboard warriors that love to overvalue it at 2K+, I will sell it to you less than half no question asked.

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Hot Calavera Canvas war paint

Wrong, again. Stop relying on backpack compare please, thank you.

Actual Trade History: https://i.imgur.com/DL0iAUt.png

I love how you again use a marketplace sale that happens 4 months later in the future as an argument. You can clearly see I listed it for 38 keys for almost a month and it didn’t sell (proof with gladiator time machine).

Proof:

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Hot+Calavera+Canvas+War+Paint+%28Minimal+Wear%29&at=2023-08-02T06%3A41%3A00.000Z

“sniping unboxer” what? I met them through a trade server where I was advertising buying unusual quicksells. I always offer above (or at least matching) generic buy order for unusual war paints in trade servers for quicksells, but since it was MW so I offered more.

Price suggestion at the time was 39 keys (outdated) and this was an MW wear, that’s why I offered ~30 instead of the generic buy order of 23-24.

No buy order on bp: https://backpack.tf/stats/Decorated%20Weapon/Calavera%20Canvas%20%7C%20War%20Paint%20(Minimal%20Wear)/Tradable/Craftable/701

I eventually sold it for just a few key profits after almost 3 months. Pretty meh trade if you ask me.

Now you are using a future outlier sale on marketplacetf that would happen much later in October (I bought mine in June, and I couldn’t sell it at 38 for a month) to paint a narrative?

That’s really disingenuous. Thankfully Trade History and Gladiatortf Time Machine are available to show the truth.

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Freedom Wrapped War Paint

The trade here is correct, finally we got one!

Let’s look at the facts, not feelings

Fact 1. The war paint was unpriced

Fact 2. The highest buyer was 70, I paid 85

Fact 3. No Freedom Wrapped Unusual War Paint has been priced in the last 3 years

Fact 4. Isotope FT and WW were priced at 50-80 range, although not in-date, buy order and those price suggestions were the only thing I could reference

Based on the highest buyer of 70 keys on backpacktf, I offered the 85 keys hat (priced in-date) for this unpriced war paint. I even thought my offer was too high to be honest, since my prior sole experience with assassin grade unusual war paint was Bonzo Gnawed. I struggled to sell an FN Cool and sold it at breakeven later after failing to sell for months.

All of you keyboard warriors can verify this statement easily, I had never touched any assassin grade unusual war paint except Bonzo Gnawed before this. Go search through my entire backpack history. Thank you.

I said I can’t see an SCM page until I list it. Now you are saying I could still access it through an URL? How the fk would I know what the URL is before that? Are you insane? I am not some SCM nerd, in fact I only started using SCM a few months ago. People don’t check every single trade site in the world before every trade, let alone somehow magically knowing the Steam Community Market URL page when there’s no listing. I did my due diligence as well as I could, offered more than the highest buyer.

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SF Coldfront Commander’s backpack

That’s an old friend I have known for 10+ years. He cashed out his entire backpack to me for 160 keys since he doesn’t play TF2 anymore and can’t be bothered with selling stuff himself. Trade was for the unusual and the aussie, then rest of the trivial stuff he just gave for free.

Yes I did pay less than ‘full price’ of his backpack, but who values an entire backpack cashout at full price? Are you actually serious?

Maybe you should go report every backpack cash buyer out there, since nobody would ever value a backpack cashout they are buying at full price.

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AF Cosa Nostra

Once again you are valuing an entire backpack cashout at full price?

This is the dumbest thing I have read so far. In a full backpack cash out, why would you consider all smaller trivial items at full price? Literally nobody does that.

And for reference, the Cosa was bought for 190 pure (buy order at 166), and the remaining of the backpack cashout was qs. I can also confirm I indeed sold it for $400 a few months later, barely any profit. Even for such backpack cashout.

I guess buying for 190 and selling for 220 after 3 months is a very bad thing to do, what a shark move!

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Cursed Forever Antarctic Eyewear

Finally another correctly identified trade!

The seller listed the hat for sale on backpacktf classified. The eyewear had a LOWER buy order than my salty dog and the eyewear was also unpriced. I sent an offer with my salty dog and he accepted. I have never talked to, or added the seller.

It was literally a risky trade for me. I took the risk to buy this unpriced hat with a lower buy order hoping to turn a profit. It took 3 months to finally turn a profit to sell it. What is the problem here?

The eyewear is unpriced, with a much lower buy order than the salty dog I offered. If this trade is an issue to you, then you can safely report 99% of traders out here.

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Celestial Eyewear

I got sold the unpriced eyewear at my buy order (I was the highest buy order at the time) from a good friend. Didn’t expect it to sell for that high after as well but it was great for sure!

Friend (Seller) Confirm: https://i.imgur.com/LpLOcUB.png

https://i.imgur.com/RsDeTG9.png

Please stop looking from the FUTURE. When I bought the hat I was the highest buyer and nobody knows what it could sell for in the future, on a brand new effect that was released a week prior. If you think it was too low, then how come all the buyers were offering lower than my buy order? Try offering more than me instead of looking in hindsight.

It’s a pretty standard trade at the start of a new event, huge price range on hats with new effects. Like the summer galaxy effect blast defense for example, absalonn bought sylicone twice at 112 and 155 and resold for 400+. absalonn also bought celestial starburst reel fly hat for 50 then sold for 250, or a bubble breeze battle boonie for 22 then sold for 70. Another example would be the recent Stellar Ascent Gauzed Gaze recently sold for 850 then immediately resold for 1400 in a couple days. Or Stellar Ascent blast defense from 200 to 500. Or when drewban bought stellar ascent lumbercap for 90 keys then it resold for 400 a few days after. Too many examples to list.

Just some examples to highlight how big of a price range new effects can have. Nobody knows what something will or will not go for. New effects are volatile and trades often have a wide range. That’s also why new effects don’t get price suggested right away due to the range.

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Bat Hat/Crit Cloak

All class hats with the galaxy effects were extremely popular at the time.You said ‘no bat hat has sold for 200 before’. You could also say the same for Beanie the All Gnawing until I sold mine…

I sold a sylicone beanie all gnawing for 200 pure. No beanie was ever priced that high before.

https://next.backpack.tf/stats?item=Beanie%20The%20All-Gnawing&quality=Unusual&priceindex=287

I also sold a sylicone reindoonbeanie for 220 (then it got resold for 250)

So I valued the bat hat in the same range, pretty fairly, given my sales on the other all-class above. Especially since celestial starburst is the most valuable one out of the 3 sister effects.

Not only is it objectively true you can’t say one is worth more than another, even subjectively I didn’t value the crit cloak much higher, I simply wanted a global clusters soldier hat since I had the other two effects.

This entire report heavily falls into a problem where you are using FUTURE events as your argument.

1. Now you are telling me, sylicone bat hat is listed lower. Okay? No sister effect of the bat hat was listed at the time. He listed it in October. How could I predict the future?

2 Now you are telling me, the crit cloak was sold for more. Okay? No sister effect of the crit cloak was listed at the time. It was sold in late October. How could I predict the future?

Do you understand I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE? You are making a report because I bought something months ago, then it got sold for higher in the future, therefore it was problematic?

The bottom line is, if you believe trading for an unpriced hat with an unpriced hat is problematic, with no objective way of valuing them (with past sales), then you can safely penalize 99% of traders.

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Spider Clusters Paint

Once again, you are basing off future events. Can you use logic for once?

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Fireflies+Blast+Defense&at=2023-08-30T18%3A42%3A00.000Z

Sellers of Fireflies blast were all at 100+.

And why are you now valuing my berlin bowl at buy order? I thought you had a problem with valuing things at buy order?

AT THE TIME OF TRADE (please stop referencing what would happen in the future), the sellers of fireflies blast were all at 100+, and lowest seller of berlin bowl at 70.

You are now stating how the blast sold for X amount in the future. I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE. I matched and beat what other sellers of the blast were selling for.

Oh and btw, the seller listed the paint for sale on backpacktf classified stating he is looking for unusuals.

I have never added, or messaged the seller in any form at all.

You also claimed no strange isotope mw paint has been priced for less than 140, another misleading statement. Even a simple search in classified you can see one Strange Iso MW paint has been unsold since December 2022 (almost a year lmao) and now listed at 140. https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Strange+Isotope+Gourdy+Green+War+Paint+%28Minimal+Wear%29&at=2023-08-22T21%3A53%3A00.000Z

To show more proof, just casually looking at the most recent war paints, both recent sales are strange isotope MW, at way lower.

1 https://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Strange%20Unusual%20Team%20Serviced%20War%20Paint%20%28Minimal%20Wear%29

2 https://steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/Strange%20Unusual%20Bomb%20Carrier%20War%20Paint%20%28Minimal%20Wear%29

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Sylicone Lumbecap

Holy shit you are using future listings again. Please look at the time of trade which happened months ago.

Highest buyer was 81. Seller was on FirePowered server multiple times and he never got an offer over 95. I did 118 in full pure, that's his buyout price. There was no prior sale.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/GfJYjBz.png

Bought this unpriced hat for 118 pure and sold for 165 mixed later in the future. Decent and normal trade. What is the issue here?

You are using CURRENT buy orders, okay? Highest buyer at the time was 81, from the same guy with the current buy order too.

Time Machine: https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Sylicone+Succiduous+Lumbercap&at=2023-09-02T12%3A20%3A00.000Z

You are reaching so hard. We have gone through so many trades so far here, and every single one of them is a normal trade?... Not a single one where I paid below the highest buyer.

I don't even know what is going on with this report tbh. Almost 20 trades in and I don’t even see one trade where I paid less than highest buyers.

God forbid I buy a hat after outbidding other buyers and then sell for profit in the future. Trading for profits should be banned am I right!

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Strange Isotope Team Serviced War Paint (Field-Tested)

This trade is correct. Strange Iso war paint highest buyer was at 99 (now 98), he eventually quicksold to me for 100 since he couldn’t sell it.

You claimed this is 133? Lol, the seller LITERALLY listed the paint on backpacktf classified for 130 and stated it is negotiable and still couldn’t sell it for weeks: https://i.imgur.com/EIS11kh.png , that’s why he quicksold to me after.

100 full pure is a standard qs price, considering you would only aim to sell for around 120, not much margin. I recall big paint trader Apex gave the same offer.

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Potent Poison + Searing Souls War Paint

Once again, you are using FUTURE price suggestions to frame it. Both paints were unpriced, and had 0 buy order.

https://backpack.tf/stats/Decorated%20Weapon/Potent%20Poison%20%7C%20War%20Paint%20(Minimal%20Wear)/Tradable/Craftable/702

0 buy order

https://backpack.tf/stats/Decorated%20Weapon/Searing%20Souls%20%7C%20War%20Paint%20(Field-Tested)/Tradable/Craftable/703

0 buy order

Also, you are accusing me of targeting unboxers, hilarious, I conducted the trade with the seller at an mge server.

In addition, the potent poison paint price suggestion came out after the trade, how could I predict the future?

Not only that, it is definitely an outlier sale. Why? Because an FT is being sold for 45 now, listed since 2 weeks ago and still no one bought it.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/KesOSwW.png

Unless you truly believe an MW is somehow worth almost double an FT for some reason…

And lastly, the cotton head has risen in value now on both sell and buy listings. But unlike you, I am not gonna use future listings as an argument for a trade that happened almost half a year ago. Just common sense really.

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Green Energy Brotherhood of Arms

So you are valuing my side at buy orders but valuing the seller side at sell orders? What?

Sellers were selling the treasure trove tundra top at 250 keys. With a past sale of 250 pure --- Tundra collector ‘Proct’ paid 250 pure for treasure trove tundra top and that’s the only other sale I knew of.

With 60 pure + the paint (51) that’s a proper massive overpay and fair trade

Blizz KE seller priced 105, buyer at 77.

BoA seller at 200 but was unsold for months, buyers at 150:

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Green+Energy+Brotherhood+of+Arms&at=2023-09-17T23%3A21%3A00.000Z

For the trade’s valuation, we took my side at 250+60+51 = 361. His side was 182.5+105 = 287.5.

Or if you want to value everything at b/o:

My Side: 126+60+51 = 237

His Side: 77+150 = 227

So literally no matter if you use full prices, or buy orders, I overpaid on both scenarios.

What are you even talking about here?

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Revenant's Rack Blast Defense

This trade is correct. I offered above highest buyers in full pure to purchase this unpriced blast defense. What is the issue here? Just because I made a profit later in the future? I could not have known what it would sell for, it is unpriced with no prior sale. I did my best to outbid and offered more than the highest buyers.

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Strange Acidic Climate Mean Captain

Another. Wrong. Trade.

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6533af301feeae546909b151

Once again, stop using backpack compare. Thanks.

At the time of trade, the highest buy order was 96. NINETY SIX, on a brand new hat with brand new effect with unknown price. His buyout was 220 pure.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/rGO2eMB.png

And of course the price suggestion is wrong too, cuz seller sold some keys the same day. Thanks backpack compare!

Trade History Proof: https://i.imgur.com/l4Hq0QS.png

Remember all buy orders from 7+ buyers at the time were all under 100. Nobody was comfortable going high on an unpriced merc grade case hat, I took the risk to offer more than double now you guys are whining in hindsight, why didn’t a single person in the world have the balls to put up a higher listing for this merc grade hat?

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Gauze Gaze+Herald

Wrong. Again.

The generic buy order for gaze was 33 not 45. The 45 order stated it was for “strange only” even though he didn’t select strange quality, and it has been taken down by the mods since that’s invalid.

The seller saw the listings, I bought and paid above buy orders with full pure.

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Winterland Wrapped Paint

Paid 180 pure keys for an unpriced illiquid paint to eventually sell for 280 (250 after fees) after 3 months is a problem to you? You can’t be real.

Thousands of traders are buying unusuals for 18 keys and selling for 25 keys everyday, 99% of traders should be reported then? :)

Not to mention this is not even an average everyday unusual hat with liquidity, but an extremely niche war paint with non-existent liquidity and demand.

Some clown called Crust believed it is worth a gazillion since it is elite grade, but failed to understand that just because an item is elite grade, doesn’t mean it’s valuable/in demand. Tons of elite grade items are dirt cheap. This war paint is ugly as shit and most would agree is the worst elite grade war paint. I only received offers of 150 max during the last 3 months of struggle until I eventually found a buyer.

Guess traders are not allowed to profit 25% from a trade after 3 months, otherwise it would be very immoral. Lol. Better ban everyone!

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Sapped Legendary Lid

The seller literally said he didn’t get sharked and he offered to qs to me yet you idiots keep ignoring that wtf?

I had a buy order, and the seller offered to quicksell to me.

PROOF:

https://i.imgur.com/OEsO594.png

https://i.imgur.com/mqaVXKP.png

Haters will probably still turn a blind eye even with this proof lol. Looking at your SirDapper.

I definitely agree with Steve and Lemon that the full value is definitely higher for this, but I was offered the quicksell at my buy order, how is that an issue? And unless you believe a buy order quicksell reflects the full value of the lid (that would make no sense), then why price the subsequent trades like the demonic dome with the qs price of lid?

The lid then sadly got scammed away recently and now it is being sold by Kolt, RIP…

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>>>>>MORE<<<<<

Some more trades below to clarify since people are spreading rumors with the completely wrong pastebin link (https://pastebin.com/GiDcaHEt).

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Burning Whirly

Another wrong trade, based on backpack compare feature again, thanks!

I was accused in discord of paying 1 aussie based on ‘backpack compare’, which is known to be unreliable, as shown multiple times here. And they literally said “the point still stands even if something is missing in the trade”. lmao what?

Accusation: https://i.imgur.com/r6WOeh2.png

Trade screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/2ePpaZF.png

Seller confirmation: https://i.imgur.com/gFavYMA.png

Paid 330 pure + 2 aussies, total of 400~. Quickswitch dropped so much I actually sold it for zero profit at 400 keys to fattymcfatty after listing it for months. For reference, scorching was listed at 450 and took months to sell as well (unknown final sale price). Seller cashed out all his keys right after so they don’t show on compare…

Stop relying on backpack compare please…

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Death at Dusk El Jefe

Another wrong trade thanks to backpack compare, where do I even begin…

https://i.imgur.com/ZQVo8c0.png

Another claim in discord that I paid next to nothing from an ‘unboxer’. Lol what? Dude listed it for sale at 170 keys on bptf, I offered full pure. Seller unboxed a bunch of stuff using the keys right after, so they didn’t show on compare…

Stop relying on backpack compare please…

Trade Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/G657K0P.png

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Sakura Woolen Warmer

I didn’t pay 54 you dummies. Stop using backpack compare.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/JXr2Aom.png

Even if (which I didn’t) I did pay 54, that’s way above buy order anyway for this low tier effect, trader Cheerio confirms: https://i.imgur.com/VQuavTm.png

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Demonic Impaler Airdog

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6533ad0ab45e109cd500e348 Another price suggestion and comment said I paid too low

I got offered the hat to quickbuy it by someone, I didn’t even know this hat existed. Good thing seller commented and clarified under the suggestion

Seller Confirm: https://i.imgur.com/0SwwnvJ.png

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Stellar Ascent Mean Captain:

Bunny in bptf discord said I sharked a stellar mean captain

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/OUdz3BC.png

But I paid 230 pure for it. Meanwhile Bunny bought the same hat for 150 keys. LMAO. Please make it make sense. Literally room temperature IQ.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/tIfKkPE.png

https://i.imgur.com/pugBcPA.png

I am not accusing him of sharking, since the buy orders raised AFTER he bought the hat, I have a brain to understand that fact unlike some people. But him calling me sharking when I paid 80 more keys than him makes absolute zero sense lol.

He even harassed my friend after, called me a shark while he paid less lmfao:

https://i.imgur.com/K4iy3KE.png

https://i.imgur.com/8M0TDPM.png

Btw sellers undercut each other quite fast and they went below my buy price rather quickly after days, so I lost on this trade. But I guess people here only focus on the trades where I made profit but not when I lose. Interesting bias…

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Stellar Ascent Power Spike:

Accusation: https://i.imgur.com/Umcar2W.png

Backpacktf discord once again thinking I sharked a hat, “straight up sharking”, “no way to talk your way out”.

They were saying I only paid 150 when buy order was 150. I WAS THE BUY ORDER lmao… Next highest buyer at 70 at the time… I put up with more than double of anyone else. I don’t even know what to say lol.

Classified buy orders screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/rnQsJbN.png

Brand new case effect hat, completely unpriced. I paid more than double the highest buy order and people are still complaining, god damn.

Seller confirmed these people are “just salty and hate me”:

https://i.imgur.com/E34jtI1.png

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Bomb Carrier FT Iso War Paint

Another wrong trade due to backpack compare lol.

Bunch of people on discord thinking I paid 11 for the paint when I paid more than SCM sales full price lmfao

Accusation: https://i.imgur.com/ESts44T.png

Trade Proof: https://i.imgur.com/t8s06qQ.png

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Isotope Secretly Serviced War Paint

After going through 25 trades with NONE of them being below buy order. This is the first (and only) one trade that was below buyer (by a few keys). However, I did not offer the trade.

The seller offered his buyout of 20 to me and I took it. I can get proof by confirming with the seller once he is online.

Also it is extremely misleading that you are suggesting it is worth 50+ based on marketplace outlier sales. I have sold a bunch of ft/mw ss at the 30 range many times, you are just cherry picking the outliers. In fact I sold this exact paint for 33 eventually, after failing to sell it for multiple times on trade servers and scraptf auctions.

Proof:

Multiple long scraptf auctions for days at a 33 starting bid, got zero bid.

https://scrap.tf/auctions/XPP0ID

https://scrap.tf/auctions/DT5SBR

https://scrap.tf/auctions/KZOTOA

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Celestial Starburst Gauzed Gaze

https://i.imgur.com/MemHHkY.png

https://i.imgur.com/Xga9w7d.png

Bunch of people in backpacktf discord claiming I sharked/scammed it lmfao. I literally have never ever traded this hat ever LMAO what?

The gauzed gaze was sold by the unboxer to a person called ‘oranges’, not me.

Lies can be powerful, people can simply make something up and rumours will spread.

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If you have made it this far, thank you. I have addressed every single one of these trades accusations with actual proof and evidence instead of speculations or feelings, they were either:

Completely wrong due to how backpack compare works

Buy orders were lower at time of trade, compare to today, but this reporter seems to not understand that

Below I will show more evidence on how or why this report was falsified, please continue reading

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Multiple instances of you guys harassing people I traded with and getting pissed because they told you I didn’t shark them, pure comedy

1.

absalonn asked hutao if I sharked him, hutao said no and I offered more than anyone else, and if anything, absalonn gave a shark offer cuz he offered way less.

Almost spit out of my water reading that lmao

hutao telling me what happened: https://i.imgur.com/hb9HSsH.png

Full chat between hutao and absalonn: https://i.imgur.com/rzCRy5g.png

2.

absalonn added Gweg and asked if I sharked him. Absalonn claimed that I sharked him and he saw the seller was talking about it on Discord (which never happened).

Seller denied it happened. Then absalonn said I paid him off to deny it lmfao, actual insane delusion. Seller called him a r*t*rd.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/vfAmBG4.png

https://i.imgur.com/RsDeTG9.png

3.

Seller of sapped lid reached out to me and said people told him he got sharked, he called them dumbasses cuz he quicksold to my buy order and he was aware.

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/NMjtIcA.png

https://i.imgur.com/f77pmdd.png

4.

https://i.imgur.com/WkZRTsN.png

People in discord are saying sellers don’t want to talk to them, hmm I wonder why, probably cuz I didn’t shark them and you guys kept harassing them? Lmao

Then flubs added a seller the same day asking if I sharked him. Seller told him I beat all other offers and offered the most. Lmao literally can’t make this up

Proof: https://i.imgur.com/DalAvUU.png

https://i.imgur.com/tu8KVoA.png

5. Bunny added luke, saying I sharked the mean captain. But Bunny paid 150 ($300) for his stellar ascent mean captain. While I paid 230 pure. Lmao please make this make sense.

https://i.imgur.com/K4iy3KE.png

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Alts?

https://i.imgur.com/EqSUSrD.png

People in backpacktf discord claiming I have ‘confirmed alts’

My only alt is abcomputer2 and it is literally a free2play tf2 account. I don’t have any other alt, feel free to name one if you think I have.

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Guilty even if proven innocent.

Someone acknowledged backpack compare is pretty broken but it doesn’t matter anyway. Lmao what?

https://i.imgur.com/L2h8ys9.png

To these people, actual evidence and proof don’t matter at all.

https://i.imgur.com/QctLGWA.png

Only the out of context bits matter!

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Some suggest I only trade with smaller backpacks. What? Learn what a selection bias is.

Look at my most expensive hat, demonflame cotton head, bought it from a trader with a backpack much bigger than mine, that hat alone cost like 30 of other cheaper unusuals. Or my cranial cowl? Also from a trader. Or my wandering wraith? Also from a trader. All my high tiers right now are from bigger traders but you guys seem to ignore that fact and only focus on certain trades, how convenient.

3000+ trades done this year, but you want to cherry pick the dozens of trades to frame a narrative. Very fair selection bias…

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The truth doesn’t matter, if everyone says he is a shark, he is a shark!

When telling the truth is labeled as an excuse, what can you do lol, can’t win against the delusional people.

https://i.imgur.com/6IkDomM.png

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https://i.imgur.com/xEWXO1y.png

https://i.imgur.com/lHzFRcm.png

Admission of targeted witch hunt

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https://i.imgur.com/1nurF8F.png

https://i.imgur.com/E9XPmUx.png

Someone in bptf discord said I pay off the mods? Lmao.

Mods look at actual evidence, not you guys yapping about incomplete backpack compare.

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Some rare voices of reasons, thank you

https://i.imgur.com/vscyyVH.png

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>>>Conclusion<<<

>>>Conclusion<<<

>>>Conclusion<<<

>>>Conclusion<<<

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It is pretty insane that you guys went through the last 3000+ trades I made this year and only found these 26 trades you have a problem with and they were all wrong lmao thanks to how backpack compare works. It is truly impressive. Accusing me of sharking but can’t even find 1 trade out of 3000+ trades where I offered any less than the highest buyer? Truly a comedy.

You have to understand when someone averages a dozen trades a day, it is easy to cherry pick something out using backpack compare to create a false narrative.

It is extremely hilarious to me that out of 3000+ trades, you managed to settle on these 26 trades here on this report, and 25 of them I paid more than all the highest buyers on backpacktf, lmao. The only one trade where I paid below buyer for the secret paint, yes one, you read it right, one, was because he offered the buyout and I agreed to it. So what even is the issue? Surely almost every trader have experienced this.

I am really struggling to understand where the problem is.

Two major issues with this report:

1.

So out of all those trades that you thought happened based on backpack compare, now you know most were not what you thought they were, all this ‘evidence’ was a joke because you don’t know how backpack compare feature works. Backpack compare only captures the last successfully refreshed snapshot of a certain date, people often make more than one trade in a day, backpack gets updated intraday, or can’t load their backpack, etc.

2.

As for those correctly identified trades, they were all bought for above buy orders at the time of trade. You are using your subjective opinion to suggest they were too low. Where do you draw the line? I always offer more than the highest buyers, always following the rules.

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Some Final Thoughts

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Let me ask you this, you are subjectively saying it was too low despite paying more than the highest buyer, then how come not a single person in the entire world had a higher buy order? Just offer more than me then, put up a higher buy order. Hypocrites.

Here I'm sincerely asking those who are reading this, especially the moderators:

If someone offered more than every single buyer on backpacktf, and the item is new and unpriced. Then how can anyone objectively say even offering MORE than the highest buyers is not enough?

This report is accusing me of offering too low despite offering more than any other buyer by referencing the fact I resold them for profit in the future.

First of all, isn't that just what trading is?

Secondly, nobody knows what a new item is worth, the best reference I could do is to look at the highest buyers and perhaps past sales if I could find any.

If buying an item for more than the highest buy orders then reselling for profit in the future is an issue, then 99.99% of traders should be reported.

According to Backpack.tf rules regarding sharking: (https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/53663-guide-for-reporting-on-the-main-site/#comment-595067)

It states that, quoting in exact: “We will ban users for committing this sort of fraud only if there is definitive proof using screenshots of the conversation and trade agreement showing that the user in question has lied or misrepresented item values in a gratuitous way to deceive another user.” Never have I ever lied or misrepresented item values. Not only that, I always offer more than the highest buyers as well.

Look at actual sharks like Guns or SoMyNameisMax that were banned, they were offering garbage stranges or cheap unusuals that were extreme magnitudes BELOW buy orders over many dozens instances (e.g. offering a priced 20 key hat for a hat with 150 key buy order). I have never done and will never do anything like that, which is sharking and rule breaking. I strongly condemn sharking. I will always offer more than the highest buyers. I will always be cautious to never break backpacktf rules.

“Imagine if you offered and bought something for more than the highest buyers then managed to resell for a profit in the future, what a shark move! Can’t even imagine that. 99% of traders should be banned!”

It is absolutely crazy that you guys dug through all my 3000+ trades day by day for the past year, and you still can’t even find one single trade that I offered below buy order.

Complete delusion.

I strongly hope moderators will look at all the objective facts instead of baseless accusations and witch hunting based on incomplete backpack compare

All of you dug through my 3000+ trades made past year:

Not a single trade where I misled or lied about value of an item

Not a single trade where I offered below the highest buy order of an item

https://i.imgur.com/Iz78eSV.jpg

All proof provided

FACTS over bp compare speculations and rumors

https://i.imgur.com/yb8Ix8g.png

• 294x895 screenshots. I can't read ants man. "Don't trust what the website is saying, here's some cropped images." If a image is to be screenshotted, is it not allowed to be cropped or modified in any way or fashion? I made the same mistake on my report to you, that was my bad. But you've been here for over a decade.

• "ALL screenshots submitted should be uncropped and unedited."

You can find the prerequisite here: https://forums.backpack.tf/topic/53663-guide-for-reporting-on-the-main-site/#comment-607734

Incase you need to defend yourself, ABC, Here: https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/GetFriendMessagesLog

Go nuts man. Good luck.

Edit: This looks to be edited: https://i.imgur.com/ZQVo8c0.png

You're using software to add the text to the right side of that chatlog, right? What else could you have done to this image? What else could you have done to any of the 294x895 images you've provided us to read clearly?

Looked at the pic (https://imgur.com/ZQVo8c0) and, after zooming in, there seems to be like a space blank after the "Oh" in "Oh that's scummy as fuck", it really looks like he tried editing the image by writing messages he cropped and pasted on the linked discussions.

Staying neutral over that, it could be an accidental double space or really an edit of the pic

Imagine being so deep in denial that you refuse to acknowledge proof lmao

No shit the big red text caption was not on the Discord channel. Do you also want to point out the big red circles were also added on? Lmfao. Literally not a single trade history screenshot here was cropped, everything in a trade is included, which one do you have trouble seeing?

Here is the pic without the caption: https://i.imgur.com/r9DZytt.png

The links on the image: https://backpack.tf/item/13132425803 D@D el jefe , https://backpack.tf/item/13145261035 GE vet

They were suggested by be below buy order while it is not the truth due to how backpack compare works, as mentioned already.

Step 1 is Denial. Keep huffing the copium buddy

This is some of the most self incriminating evidence I've seen, ever. I have NEVER talked with an honest trader over my years of trading, and had them respond like you did to this person who NEVER trades.

Simply reposting your screenshot ABC that you posted under the Celestial Summit Legendary Lid: https://i.imgur.com/acXulCd.png

"as long as we both understand it is not priced, so nobody can say 100% what it's 'worth'. My promise is to beat the highest buyers by a lot"

You are straight up telling a person in a deceitful manner, who does not trade, as somebody yourself with a lot of trade experience, that their top-tier effect on a 1 of 1 hat, is worth a fraction of the price. Every single high tier trader knows that Legendary Lids with high tier effects go for a MINIMUM of 1000 keys. You coming to, adding, then offering barely 700-800 keys in items and pure telling them it's a good deal is absolutely manipulative and full of deceit.

I think I've made my point on that one of MANY malicious trades you've made, because it's quite literally the same situation in every single one of them. Don't even get me started on the Sapped Legendary Lid you bought for 100 keys, off yet another new trader you abused Backpack Premium to find shortly after it unboxed.

Claiming that backpack compare is always incorrect just as an excuse to try and cover your tracks in every single instance, is not a form of proof. Also backpack clearly states that you must include uncropped, unedited screenshots for them to be considered valid. You already showed that you used a photo-editing software to add text, so for all we know you edited other things in these screenshots.

I also recall the day you came to me I unboxed my Global Clusters Hat Outta Hell in mid August 2023, although at the time I was unaware of your sharking habits, you offered me somewhere around 120-150 pure "because it's a good offer" probably unaware that I have years of prior trading history. I do not have screenshots because again, I was unaware that this is just something you do, and brushed it off as no big deal.

To close out, I was unaware of this thread before today, and after hearing about your actions from others over the past few months, I was linked here. You clearly don't feel remorse or care about the integrity of the trading community, and simply do this for your own profit.

What kind of copium are you two smoking? Showed proof to you on how backpack compare doesn't reflect a trade, now you're in denial saying I am photoshopping? Lmaooooo

Here you go

Screenshot on PC: https://i.imgur.com/r9DZytt.png

Screenshot on Mobile: https://i.imgur.com/wCLUl3n.jpg

Just took a video too: https://i.imgur.com/lW9R4tP.mp4

You thought I paid under buyer cuz of how backpack compare works

Now you see proof of trade and you say it is photoshop

Are you okay?

bone density zero, please explain how do they add up to 700? failed middle school math?

Not sure why you are saying it is minimum 1000, where did that come from? Please refrain from using your subjective feelings and opinions. Cosmic constellation was priced at 745 and it is the only similar effect priced within the last year. Buy order was 555 at the highest. Let's stick to facts.

I never said anything like you are claiming here, please provide proof.

Please use objective facts instead of your feelings. Thank you.

crazy that bp compare was wrong so many times, would you like to send proof of every trade?

they are included, are you blind?

Celestial Summit Legendary Lid

This was not mentioned whatesover above.

Stay on topic.

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S Cloud 9 Legendary Lid

It appears that the compares were indeed incorrect.

I counted 279 keys though could be off +/- 3

Taunt indate at 24

279 + 24 = 303

Can you provide a screenshot for what you sold it for?

Comparing it to non strange green energy means literally nothing.

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Green Energy Decorated Veteran

Nowhere above are you accused of lying about paying 500.

Stay on topic.

You are arguing with opinions, and out of context screenshots from random traders.

The facts are that AT THE TIME, the GE vet sold here

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/649bfdeceab1219e2a079607

For 980 and 1050.

500 is half value.

This isnt “today’s” price, this was indate to your sale.

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Strange Isotope Health&Hell Shotgun

Nowhere above are you accused of paying 32 keys.

Stay on topic.

Your lack of response to pointing out that you lied about paying “double of buyorders” is noted.

Paying above generic buyorders isnt a free pass.

Especially when there is a pattern of behavior as we have shown.

I don't care what the macaw discord priced it at, you are once again arguing via opinions.

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F&F Onimann

I used your trade screenshot to price what you paid.

I made an itemized list of each item in the screenshot.

Please point out where the inaccuracy is.

Mandarin sheen does not particularly add.

Please provide proof if you otherwise think so.

Please provide proof of the hat costing more, from Merendas

Paying more than buyers is not a free pass.

Especially when there is a pattern of behavior as we have shown.

Your arbitrary value you put on your items doesn’t matter.

What matters is the facts, which were presented above.

Feel free to argue the valuations of the items with proof.

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Eerie Kraken Onimann

Fact 1: A hat being unpriced does not mean you get a free pass to offer whatever.

Fact 2: A hat having dirt cheap buyorders does not mean you get a free pass to offer whatever.

Fact 3: Eerie kraken is on average worth double of soulful slice, and yet you paid far less than soulful slice sold for. It is ABSURD that you seek to compare the effects.

Fact 4: It doesn’t matter that you never traded a hat this high tier before.

Fact 5: I don’t care what the opinions of random hightier traders said. You keep arguing opinions.

Fact 6: I don’t care what metalcore said at the time without context.

Fact 7: This report isnt about Metalogic or kolt. You are free to open a report on them.

Fact 8: Even if you disregard the beams oni, THE LARGEST PART OF THE TRADE, you still sold it for DOUBLE of what you paid.

This is one of the most predatory trades I have seen in recent times.

All of your proof is about the valuation of the beams oni.

Disregarding the beams oni entirely would still give us a unbalanced trade. Taking HALF the price on the beams oni would give us a MASSIVELY unbalanced trade.

To reiterate-

Total for sale 1 of kraken oni, NOT COUNTING BEAM ONI

611 keys

Versus you paying 320.

You ignored the other sales too, including a one day quicksale that was STILL over 200 keys more than you paid, and another sale for ATLEAST 825.

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Hot Calavera Canvas war paint

We have to use backpack compares.

Thanks though.

You used your listing at 38 for a few weeks as “proof”

Several days after the time you linked, buyorders were 35.

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Hot+Calavera+Canvas+War+Paint+%28Minimal+Wear%29&at=2023-08-28T08%3A01%3A00.000Z

This is equally valid proof to what you mentioned.

This is not a huge sale, but it atleast shows that your behavior fits a pattern.

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Freedom Wrapped War Paint

A warpaint being upriced does not mean you get a free pass to offer whatever.

In the other issue, https://backpack.tf/issue/652fa383d6964583060cecee

You say, and I QUOTE: “I have probably traded 100+ unusual war paints by now and you literally can’t find ONE trade I paid below buy orders at the time of trade. You are actually delusional.”

Yet NOW you say that you don't know how scm works or how to manage a URL.

For someone so experienced as you, ignorance is no excuse.

And yes, at the time of purchase, you had already traded many many paints.

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SF Coldfront Commander’s backpack

You paid under the buyorders of the coldfront + tomi, and got the rest of the backpack for free.

This is a big distinction from the narrative you mention.

Bulk does sell for less.

But not for under buyorders for the two biggest items lol.

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AF Cosa Nostra

Trade was included as all unbalanced trades were.

Once again, bulk does sell for less.

But you would have to value their backpack at less than 50% value in order to end up with the cosa being worth 190 in the trade.

Ie-

Bulk =63 in real price versus 30 in what you paid.

I think its far more likely that you valued the Cosa way lower.

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Cursed Forever Antarctic Eyewear

An item being unpriced does not mean that you can offer whatever on it.

You still flipped it for 3x of what you paid.

Your sale is what VALUES the item.

Thats the only reason it is mentioned, just as a data point on what the true value is.

I have no qualms reporting other traders if they have proven a pattern of targeting new unboxers and offering 1/3th of the items worth.

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Celestial Eyewear

This sale is never mentioned in the report above.

Stay on topic please.

But to argue against what you state

Future sales are data points.

This is not an argument you can make.

On unpriced hats, future sales are the ONLY data points available to us besides buyorders.

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Bat Hat/Crit Cloak

I don't care what the beanie sold for, it was not part of this trade.

You keep relying on this argument of “But it happened in the future how could I tell!!!”

This is intellectually dishonest.

These trades are so obviously unbalanced that one month of time is no excuse.

To reiterate, the crit cloak was sold for 3x of what the bat hat sister effect is listed for sale for.

Any argument here is just silly.

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Spider Clusters Paint

When there are no sales at the time, we can only use the closest future and past sales.

This is logical.

The blast sale was within a month of the spider clusters sale anyways so I do not see the issue?

I clearly outlined why the valuation was fine on the berlin, but I can mini the sale of the victim’s flip here if we want to be more objective.

https://backpack.tf/item/13255478710

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198086589725#!/compare/1695772800/1695945600

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198136852126#!/compare/1694822400/1695945600

1 ToD ticket + 21 keys + pastel trance fist bump

Pastel fist bump-

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Pastel+Trance+Taunt%3A+The+Fist+Bump&at=2023-09-18T01%3A42%3A00.000Z

Sell order at 20 keys from the day of trade.

Buyorder at 25 keys is obviously an invalid/unfulfilled one, as it was up for over a month

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Pastel+Trance+Taunt%3A+The+Fist+Bump&at=2023-09-10T09%3A25%3A00.000Z

Was the orders a week prior, showing 10, 13, 20 sell orders, with same buyorder.

Valuing at BEST sell order would give us 21 + 20 + .5 =

41.5

Which remarkably is the value I estimated in my above proofs.

Even if I missed one Strange Iso MW paint being listed at 140 ( which is again not below 140 ), you still paid nearly HALF of that price.

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Sylicone Lumbercap

Buyorders are always low when an update releases, that does not mean that the value of the hat is represented.

You are clinging to this idea where you technically paid over buyorders at the time, which clears you of all wrongdoing even if you flip the hat for far more.

Buyorders are NOT the only thing that values a hat.

Sales value a hat.

You once again sniped a hat and sold it for far greater than you paid.

This goes beyond profit trading if you consistently seek out new unboxers and nontraders and offer these unbalanced traders.

So lets check on the victim here.

Is he really a new player or non trader?

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198973653541?time=1681862400

Bp was worth 0.44 USD last time it was loaded before mogger tracked him down.

No compare links for 8 months.

This is a nontrader, a fresh unboxer who fell victim to premium search abuse.

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Strange Isotope Team Serviced War Paint (Field-Tested)

An item being listed for weeks does not suddenly make other sales invalid.

Several months maybe, but weeks still falls within backpack’s definition of a quicksale timeframe.

120 is an arbitrary number you made up.

We provided evidence of it selling higher within the time period.

I do agree that this trade is a less important one though.

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Potent Poison + Searing Souls War Paint

Once again you are clinging to this idea that future sales have no meaning on the value of your trade.

Its not about “predicting the future”.

Its about future sales SHOWING an items true value.

Past sales also work.

Just any nearby sales.

We are working off data points to price the items, and sales provide the strongest data points.

Showing that 2 paints both didnt have buyorders means literally 0.

Paints are very likely to not have orders since they are niche.

Hence why we provided proof like this

https://next.backpack.tf/suggestions/64a71e30808cc969e80111bf

Which i used to value the paint.

The sale included is actually a week BEFORE your trade so suddenly your argument doesn’t make any sense.

The sales on

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17293;15;u703;w3;pk293

Are a little further out, but nowhere near “half a year”

Instead its 3 months, which is generally an acceptable time period for mini’ing items on backpack suggestions.

“In addition, the potent poison paint price suggestion came out after the trade, how could I predict the future?”

The sale was recorded on marketplace. It is COMMON practice to price check paints by searching marketplace, mannco, and scm sales. For someone selling hundreds of paints, I DOUBT you couldnt figure out how to check the marketplace sale from july 1st :(

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17292;15;u702;w2;pk292

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Green Energy Brotherhood of Arms

No, your side isnt valued at b/os

3 lower value hats on the mini are.

I am happy to find a fairer value though.

Trove tundra

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198068068814#!/compare/1693872000/1694044800

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198084205929#!/compare/1693526400/1694044800

Sold for a Blizzardy Storm Vintage Tyrolean (in-date at 56 keys) + a Bubbling Woolen Warmer + a Kill-a-Watt Rotation Sensation + a Purple Confetti Yule Hog

Going off what he sold it all for-

Woolen-

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198142864294#!/compare/1698105600/1698883200

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198154368789#!/compare/1698105600/1698192000

30 keys + strange breakneck, 3.5 strange hat valued at below

https://gladiator.tf/sales?item=Strange%20Breakneck%20Baggies&at=2023-10-23T01:11:46.743Z

33.5

KaW rotation-

https://backpack.tf/item/7079678421

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198068068814#!/compare/1694044800/1694131200

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198072507309#!/compare/1694044800/1694131200

38 keys trace to the rotation.

Other keys trace to the tyrolean.

Yule log doesnt trace so ill take SELL order for the price

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Purple+Confetti+Yule+Hog&at=2023-09-06T00%3A19%3A00.000Z

14

Total for Tundra mini

56+33.5+38+14 = 141.5

So returning to

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198148904255#!/compare/1694649600/1695600000

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1694995200/1695081600

141.5 + 60 = 201.5 for abc’s side

182.5 + 105 + 45 = 332.5 total for cody’s side

CLEARLY something isnt priced as it should be.

If you would like to debate the value of the tundra please LINK PROOF.

We can go over other sales.

Also, you very clearly misinterpreted the numbers.

You state

“we took my side at 250+60+51 = 361. His side was 182.5+105 = 287.5.”

The 51 in that scenario was on HIS SIDE, not yours, as the paint was sold to YOU.

https://backpack.tf/item/13514178625

That would make the value in your arbitrary scenario be

310 your side versus 338.5 on his side, so in your OWN scenario with ARBITRARY values, its still a lowball.

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Revenant's Rack Blast Defense

What a deceitful post. You didn’t make “profit in the future”. You Flipped it for over DOUBLE its worth within 5 days of owning it. You keep spinning these sales as risky trades for you, when its CLEAR that that was NOT the case.

https://backpack.tf/item/13651170837

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Strange Acidic Climate Mean Captain

Compares are bound to be wrong when you hunt down so many fresh unboxes.

Thanks though.

Your cropped proof of a 4 response interaction means 0 besides showing what you paid.

Thats not his “buyout '', that's him agreeing to your offer.

You flipped it for double within a few weeks.

This isnt a high risk trade, you clearly made off like a bandit because there arent many buyorders on new hats.

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Gauze Gaze+Herald

Yes, I did not see that it was incorrectly made buyorder. EIther way, you bought it for generic orders and this trade did just happen, so only time will tell its actual value.

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Winterland Wrapped Paint

This report isnt about other traders, its about you.

The item has a sale for 120 keys more than you paid.

That qualifies as an unbalanced trade unless you can prove otherwise.

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Sapped Legendary Lid

The lid trade is one of the worst on here, I dont know how you can just skip over it.

Paying 120 for 780 isnt a “whoopsies quicksold”; its a highly unbalanced trade.

Maybe even the worst one on this list.

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I dont care about the pastebin, it wasnt included in this report so lets keep this on topic to the trades i mentioned.

You claim to only care about the objective facts, and yet on the worst trades you simply rely on your and other traders “opinions” (such as the onis) on the valuation, and completely ignore all of our OBJECTIVE proof.

Regarding the Sapped Lid

"The seller literally said he didn’t get sharked and he offered to qs to me yet you idiots keep ignoring that wtf?

I had a buy order, and the seller offered to quick sell to me."

While both of these statements are true, they have contrivances.

• The first statement of the user saying they didn't get sharked is simply because of two reasons, the first reason being they didn't know the value of the items they traded, and the second being they did not care about the item due to them unboxing several hats in a short period. Most individuals unaware of the game's economy and values would jump on the opportunity to earn more than they initially invested if presented with it.
• The second statement is deceitful, "I had a buy order and the seller offered to quick sell to me" Firstly, you reached out to the buyer, it's clear the buyer is not familiar with bp tf, nor do they truly care, however the way you worded it makes it seem like they reached out to you. This is simply untrue, as they confirmed with me that you approached them. On top of that, you also told them that their hat would be more valuable if it were another effect. While this statement is also true, you used it to grossly undervalue their item to the point where you got it for an absolutely criminal price. You set the buy order, to sway their opinion, and then abused their ignorance of the economy to get the hat.

While the user is compliant with what occurred, they do show regret once I explained to them what happened. I believe this user was taken advantage of in this situation through Backpack Premium, and ABC used their listing to cover their actions. This method of sharking new effects is underhanded and abuses a loophole in the rules of the website. It's overall a slimy tactic that doesn't sit well with me and many users within the community.

Proof (Not sure why it's marked as potential NSFW ):

https://imgur.com/a/ZK7ooLd

Re: christmas

Did you open your eyes? Trade history proofs are included.

What's crazy is that clowns like you still don't understand how bp compare works. It only shows the last loaded bp snapshot of the day, it can't show anything that happens intraday, or if the backpack didn't load.

Re SirDapper:

Thank you for agreeing that both of my statements are true.

Your Claim: I was undervaluing the hat

Incorrect.

I never suggested a value at all. Please provide proof of when did I ever suggest a value? I simply accepted the quicksell at my buy order, where the seller also understood that was my buy order

Your Claim: He wasn't aware of the value

Incorrect.

The screenshot you uploaded is your conversation BEFORE. This is what he told me AFTER you messaged him.

https://i.imgur.com/TW0qAJG.png

https://i.imgur.com/mqaVXKP.png

dude in that screenshot he clearly doesnt know the price when the current owner claims to have been offered 900-1000 and the guy thinks $1400 is an absurd price for it

Re: Steve:

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Celestial Lid

Due to the volume of discussion I felt the need to address it. It shows how they were dozens of people accusing me over a false trade, with heated discussion.

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S Cloud 9 Lid

Correct? What?

You literally said I paid 217 + mannrobics, scroll up and read what your report said. Holy shit.

Proof that you said I paid 217 so you don't edit it: https://i.imgur.com/6cJQPtB.png

Hello? Are you gonna admit you were wrong? And yes flan offered less, I beat him. I believe offering more than a big reputable trader is safe enough.

Why would comparing to a more recent price suggestion mean nothing? Green Energy is a lot higher tier and it got priced only slightly higher in date.

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GE Vet

YOU didn’t accuse me of not paying 500, but others did.

The very price suggestion that you are linking here was not created when I bought it. The price suggestion happened in the future after I bought it. When I bought it, the hat was unpriced. So what is your issue here? I can’t predict the future.

And once again, the price sugg was severely overpriced given the facts of the recent scorching price suggestion and the offers I received in the past 4 months.

You want to talk about facts.

Fact 1. I offered more than anyone else, bunch of traders offered to him

Fact 2. I offered way higher than highest buyer

Fact 3. The price suggestion that you are referencing, didn't exist until later

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Shotgun

YOU didn’t accuse me of 32, but others did.

If you want to talk about facts, then fact is I paid above buy order for this unpriced shotgun. I had no idea what it could sell for, just took a risk. Never traded any strange unusual weapon ever before (correct me if I am wrong on this statement, I am 99% confident)

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F&F Onimann

You want to talk about facts, then the fact is the hat is unpriced with no prior sale and I paid above buy order, whether we use your valuation or mine.

“Paying more than buyers is not a free pass.” Then where do you draw the line? Where do backpacktf officials draw the line?

I receive tons of offers at/around buy orders all the time, shall I report all of them?

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Kraken Onimann

You want to talk about facts, then the fact is the hat is unpriced with no prior sale, and I paid more than double of buy orders.

Fact is sunbeams onimann traded 850 then 2300 within a month, these hats naturally have a wide range.

You are using future sales as an argument. When I bought the hat with no prior sale, I have nothing to reference against, except buy order, which I paid more than double of. I literally thought I paid too much. It was my first ever trade that was above 300 keys.

“Paying more than buyers is not a free pass.” Then where do you draw the line? Where do backpacktf officials draw the line?

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Calavera Paint

Several days? I listed it on July 19, the buy order came out on August 23. That is over a month, that is not several days. Look again.

What do the future listings have to do with anything? I cannot predict the future. Do you truly believe buying something for 30 and selling for 35 is an issue? Lmfao.

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Freedom Paint

Again, I paid more than buy orders for this unpriced war paint. So tell me where you draw the line. How can you objectively decide whether it is low?

Yes I traded war paints but never on SCM, how is that relevant? I never used SCM, never used marketplace, never used Mann Co Store at the time. So I don't know how are they relevant? I literally didn't use any of those sites. I still don’t know how to find a SCM link even right now, if the item is not listed. I would love for you to teach me how.

Also this was my second ever assassin grade unusual war paint as well, my only prior experience was bonzo gnawed, you can easily check that. So do not frame me as someone who’s experienced on this freedom wrapped, I literally did not have a clue how much it is worth.

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SF Coldfront Commander

My friend I have known since 2013 sold those at buy order to me correct. He could have given them to me for free too, what is your issue? It is not a random person, it is a long time friend.

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AF Cosa

Nobody values an entire backpack at full price. Using YOUR OWN calculations, valuing all individual items at full price, you came to the conclusion the cosa was 157 with B/O of 166. So you believe 9 key profit for a full backpack cash out is problematic? You can't be serious

And yes I am confirming it was agreed that Cosa would cost me 190 pure, the rest of the trade was just everything else thrown in cheap, you can verify that with the seller.

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Cursed Eyewear

You said future sale is what values the item. Lol what?

How would I know what I could sell for in the future? Use logic please.

I can find a hundred items on backpack right now that are listed for much higher than what they bought for, nobody knows if they would sell. I didn’t know if mine would ever sell. If one of those sells, then you are gonna report them? Lmfao

Stop using future sales as your argument.

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Spider Clusters Paint

Again and again. Please tell me how I could predict future sales at the time of trade?

Oh sure blast sold for less in the future, how would I know? Every seller was at 140 for the blast and 70 for the berlin bowl, it was an overpay based on how all the sellers were valuing the items when I traded it.

There is no way you are seriously thinking there is an issue, what a massive reach.

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Sylicone Lumbercap

You literally saw the proof where the seller was on FP for multiple days and couldn’t get an offer above 95, buy order was 81. 118 was his BUYOUT not my offer, which I was the only one who was willing to do it.

Literally every other trader on FirePowered offered less than 95. I offered the most so I am in the wrong?

Nice logic.

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Potent Poison + Searing Souls War Paint

Your logic does not make sense. You are using future sales. How would I know what an unprice item will sell for in the future? Please actually think with your brain.

Common practice to check on marketplace? That is not true, and neither is it a requirement. And no sorry I never used marketplace at the time, not even once, ever, I was using backpacktf exclusively. In fact if it was sold already and no longer listed, how would one find the link on marketplace? Please teach me.

Also that was an outlier sale as I have pointed out. Currently there is an FT unsold for weeks at 45.

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GE BoA

Again, the only sale of the treasure trove tundra that I knew of, was a 250 key sale by Proct.

Now you are digging deep to find a sale that I wouldn’t have known, what does that have to do with anything? I only knew about the 250 sale by Proct, so that's how I logically and reasonably valued the tundra.

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Rack Blast Defense

Open a dictionary and look up what future means. I did in fact make a profit in the future.

It was unpriced and I offered more than the highest buyers. I could not know what it could sell for in the future. What is the issue?

Please stop referring to future sales.

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Acidic Climate Mean Captain

There were in fact SEVEN buy orders lol, all under 100 keys. I paid more than double, how was it not a risk? Given it is a merc grade hat. Stop using future sales as argument. There is an acidic climate mean captain now being listed at 250 keys and unsold, fyi.

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Winterland Wrapped

Buying something for 18 and getting 25 (28 before fees) after 3 months is unbalanced? Should you report 99% of unusual traders then? Please explain.

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Sapped Legendary Lid

I did not skip over it, please look again. I was offered the quicksell, with full proof provided. And please note that I did not sell the lid for 780, you are missing the fact I traded the unpriced lid for an unpriced dome later.

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You want to talk about OBJECTIVE FACTS? Sure, please answer me:

DID I OFFER MORE THAN THE HIGHEST BUYER FOR EVERY SINGLE TRADE?

IT IS A YES OR NO QUESTION.

Answer is yes if you needed help.

If you tell me offering MORE than the highest buy order is not enough, please tell me how do you objectively draw the line? Because 99.9% of traders would be placed under such category.

You keep bringing up future sales as an argument of valuation. How does that make sense?

Imagine if you are buying an item, it is unpriced with no prior sale, how would you know what it would sell for later in the future??? Please try to use logic for once.

Imagine if you offer and pay more than highest buyers for an unpriced item, which nobody knows what it is worth, then you sell for a profit in the future, now you get reported lmfao. Wouldn’t 99% of traders be reported?

Since everything was bought for higher than the highest buyers and you still have an issue with it, where do you draw the line? 10% profit is okay? 20% profit is okay? 30% profit is reportable? Please explain what is the cutoff. Thank you.

back to the summit lid

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198123977378#!/compare/1697846400/1698019200

seems to have sold for around 550 in mixed

we can see by using next.bp that the highest buy orders at that time were far over that (788 keys on oct 20th, the day before the trade and 628 keys on oct 23rd

idk not much more to say, heres the next.bp link because abc has trouble using the site sometimes

https://next.backpack.tf/stats?item=Legendary%20Lid&quality=Unusual&priceindex=293

Buddy are you blind or what? The bp compare doesn't show the whole trade since he sold the keys right away. Trade was 1000~.

Proof - Trade History Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/oBnon6Y.png

Proof - Trade History Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/oBnon6Y.png

Proof - Trade History Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/oBnon6Y.png

Posting it 3 times above since you have trouble reading

Proof - Trade Chat Agreement: https://i.imgur.com/acXulCd.png

Seller Confirmation After: https://i.imgur.com/1cMQHaT.png

next.backpack.tf snapshots use refined metals as stored value not keys, and key price got adjusted since, do you seriosly think all the buy orders had double decimal places? Try using your brain lmfao. So ironic that you are talking about having trouble using the site. Perhaps you should have asked someone before embarrassing yourself?

Use gladiatortf time machine if you want to see listings history without adjusted key price

Here you go:

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Celestial+Summit+Legendary+Lid&at=2023-10-21T02%3A26%3A00.000Z

Highest buy order was 555. The 600 order was not up since fonto did not have enough keys, can check here:

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198198896481?time=1697760000

Even if the 600 buy order was live, the trade was 1K not 500, people like you that rely on one sided backpack compare are so embarrassing. At least learn how to read.

damn

Just as an FYI cmp, you should probably install history bastard. I believe that's what it's called, so the trades are actually readable lol. (Tried looking at a couple on mobile and they are pretty much unreadable) Give the mods an easier time man...

Also I don't really understand how you can sit behind "DID I OFFER MORE THAN THE HIGHEST BUYER FOR EVERY SINGLE TRADE?" When a lot of the trades you do, involve you adding people with not much trading experience during new updates with new effects when there aren't anything other than generic buy orders or low buy orders on new hats with new effects.

Also I tried asking you to help me price some of the unusuals you bought, I don't get why you are trying to play the victim when you had every chance to tell me what you paid but instead you wait until a report comes out to again play the victim.

Mogger commenting on a suggestion and then choosing to ignore me - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6533ad1ebe060972c20c46b4

Note - at the time of his commenting on that suggestion I had not blocked Mogger on steam yet.

Also before you say something like - I don't want to tell you what I paid because it could hurt my future sale.

Valid point, but to counter:

Well you have agreed on other price suggestions I made so that argument goes out the window.

Proof of Mogger agreeing i got the correct price- https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6533b9e4ed09ae212b00e4e8

You seem to just pick and choose when to be helpful, and again you play the victim when at the end of the day the victims are the people you take items from for "above buyers". Need I remind you of your ramblings on the Otherwordly Weather Demonic Dome unboxers profile that you commented on after I told him to watch out for you specifically lol.

Re: Sardeez

Thanks, will check out history bastard.

I did not check out every single price suggestion you made. Are you satisfied now that I have provided proof? So now I provided proof, you are calling this 'playing victim'? I am just simply providing proof to show the truth, since your price suggestions based on one sided bp compare were incorrect. Facts do not care about your feelings or opinions.

seems like a clear cut case i think we can ban and move on

"facts dont care about your feelings and opinions"

mate you are legitimately acting like an immature child (ironic to the fact ya had toddler alphabet blocks as a profile picture) and cracking insults left to right while providing poor stuff calling it "facts" that is cropped or hard to believe then coming back saying "my facts are factual cause i said so." No one is siding with your greedy flat ass here. If you were an actual fucking innocent man, you'd show us the broad details from screenshots of your trade history, DMs with the users you targeted, etc.

im jumping back in here cause not only he is permabanned on FirePowered for the EXACT shit he is claiming he is not guilty for, plus the fact that there's now a big majority on your scumbag shituation that even getting a bp staff member spitting on you shows that you should've seriously had a permanent red line through your name a long time ago. You're hypocrisy too is far out there for abusing systems and acting delusional. Manipulative gaslighting bastard.

This will not be repeated again.

If you have nothing to add, do not post. Do not post to only insult the accused, or to add nothing at all.

Relish,

So first it was not showing trade history, now you are shown proof then suddenly it is too hard to read? The mental gymnastics..

which trade history do you have trouble reading? None of the trade history screenshots is cropped, but I'm happy to re take screenshots if needed. Please let me know.

Hi Relish,

I posted trade history proof already. But anyway I just reached out to the seller to further confirm.

Hope this helps.

https://i.imgur.com/pprQ8YT.png

https://i.imgur.com/WXf3rHD.png

To counter your counters

• You suggested the value when you approached the seller, however, the seller did not find your listing, nor did they reach out to you. You reached out to them and suggested the value that you intentionally listed horrendously low due to it being a new unusual. You contradict your own statement by saying "I didn't set the price" but follow it by saying "I had a buy order so I didn't shark". You approached the user, told them your horrible b/o price, and then convinced them that "It's that low because it's sapped" The proof is in the screenshots I sent.
• The second point of their awareness of the price is also inaccurate and your screenshots prove the user's further lack of knowledge. Firstly, the user told me directly "his price guy was offline" Which further proves this user cannot be reliable in understanding the economy. Additionally, the screenshots you sent of the follow-up conversation do more work incriminating yourself. The user first contradicted his own point after he told me he didn't know the value, he then claimed he knew the value. He then says the users who told him he missed out on 1400 dollars were all fools. This is ironic due to the lid is now on the market listing over 1000 keys and has been offered over 1000 dollars additional to what you paid for it as a c/o.

Even in your own initial counterargument, you said yourself "I definitely agree with Steve and Lemon that the full value is definitely higher for this, but I was offered the quicksell at my buy order, how is that an issue?" The issue is, you reached out to the seller, they didn't find you, you created the buy order to cover your own purchase so you could create the argument you presented above. Due to us having proof you reached out to them, and how much you sold it for/what it is being offered now. This transaction reeks of you taking advantage of an ill-knowledged user, abusing BP premium to find their fresh unbox, and profiting off of them.

SirDapper,

Appreciate your 3 paragraphs of opinions, got anything useful to add?

Your opinion doesn't matter to me, no offense. Only facts matter to me and I appreciate that you confirmed the fact I bought the item at my buy order which was highest at the time.

I just reached out to the seller, hope this helps.

https://i.imgur.com/5xXweR6.png

https://i.imgur.com/5xXweR6.png

https://i.imgur.com/5xXweR6.png

Please read.

There was a lot of useful stuff in bold. I find it ironic that you chose to ignore my words and then proceeded to tell me to read instead.

Reaching out to these users as a form of damage control does not change the facts that occurred.

• You reached out to a fresh unboxer when the hat came into existence, within a few HOURS of it being picked up on bp premium.
• You created a buy order 2 KEYS above the others so you could cover your trail when you added him.
• You then offered your lowball value which you yourself agreed was low. Especially when you traded it in less than 8 hours for 8 times what you paid.

This is a shark, clear as day, and if backpack doesn't do something about this, then it's a platform that needs re-working as it is not only complacent but supports these types of transactions to take place.

ABC abused premium, and then created a listing to cover their shark so they could go off the laurels of "Well they offered me at buy orders". They never offered you, you found them and offered your price to them, any unknowledgeable user who spent $2.50 would see the 100x profit and accept, as they were unaware of the 1000x potential value they could have received. The user got a horribly unbalanced trade and them dismissing it and going with what you are saying is simply because they want the situation to be over. They don't want to deal with this, and reasonably so as many users came to them after they fell victim to one of the most egregious sharks in recent times.

Hi ccmp,

Can we get full unedited chats please? The same way steamrep asks for them. I personally think the issue is not just what cmpp offers but also the context in which trades happen. SirDapper mentioned that it seems like cmpp only trades with inexperienced traders. For this it really matters how conversations are being held. Manipulation or misinforming people is what defines sharking.

Perhaps, we can make a list of the more important or worrying trades and request steamrep quality screenshots of complete conversations for all those trades.

Reason for my edit: formatting

Adding to my above message: all the ''proof'' that cmpp has provided this far should be seen as invalid. Those chats could have been altered or represented in favor of cmpp. Thanks

Literally none of them is edited, every trade history screenshot has the entire trade included in one single screenshot, which one are you referring to?

Sir Dapper, there were multiple buy orders, I was not the only one as you claimed. DedAndrei at 100, ALIENKIY at 90. You're just blatantly lying now? Lmao

I'll no longer bother replying to your opinions unless you come up with useful materials like screenshots

Open your eyes and read

https://i.imgur.com/5xXweR6.png

https://i.imgur.com/5xXweR6.png

SirDapper

You claimed I was the only buyer, that's false, There were 2 other buyers for sapped lid, DedAndrei and ALIENKIY. I was not the only buy order (there were 3 for sapped, and many more lower for generic), you are blatantly lying. Also the seller offered his price to me, you lied once again, but of course, you are just making things up with zero screenshot to back up anything. Here I will show you proof, I just messaged him again to confirm:

https://i.imgur.com/hmj2nTl.png

https://i.imgur.com/hmj2nTl.png

https://i.imgur.com/hmj2nTl.png

https://i.imgur.com/hmj2nTl.png

https://i.imgur.com/hmj2nTl.png

Going to post it 5 times since you seem to have trouble reading lol

What now? What lie are you going make up now? Or are you gonna write another opinion piece with 0 proof?

I was unaware of the additional B/Os that were present and made corrections as needed. That fault I can admit.

However, I beg you to post the screenshots you have of you reaching out to them initially. I would love to see you prove me wrong there. Truly I hope you do, because the user told me that day that you reached out to them first. So this is where I ask, how did that conversation go down?

The user told me his pricing buddy was offline, so clearly he didn't know the price, we can both agree there.

Are you about to tell me you added this user and said "Hey I want to buy your lid" and they just happened to say 102 keys, conveniently 2 keys above DedAndrei?

No seriously, how did that interaction go, the only way that I see this happening is you telling/suggesting a price by saying "I have a listing to buy it for 102 keys" or posting a screenshot of your own buy order/directing them there.

The user didn't seek you out, or any buy orders as a matter of fact, you added them. If you had just listed a b/o for 102 keys and he added you to make that transaction, then yeah, I'd say all is fair in love and war, they sold to B/O on their own accord.

Though that's what makes you different, you actively hunt down these inexperienced users and try to swindle them out of their items through ludicrously low b/os. Specifically targeting items that do not have them or have low B/Os due to being new items or warpaints. That's why half the reports above follow these trends. This is your calling card. It's clear you are going to attempt to squirm out of anything anyone says in this situation with your patent pending excuse of "I've never purchased anything below buy orders" or "You're just writing opinion", and it's trivial to continue pressing a point that you keep avoiding. I just hope Backpack either changes how their rules are written or chooses to punish back actors that circumvent the rules such as yourself.

here you go lmao. not gonna reply to you again unless you post proofs (screenshots), seller is right, I shouldn't care about your assumptions and opinions

https://i.imgur.com/KB0uOFZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/KB0uOFZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/KB0uOFZ.png

So you admit you used bp premium to add them and then suggested the b/o listing you made as a price to shark them.

Coolio, thanks for the validation. 😊

Are you blind or just stupid? That is the exact opposite of what's shown here. He offered the price to me first, and then I brought up the fact I also have a b/o of 102.

Hope that helps.

Hi cmpp,

I'm referring to screenshots of chats. Not trade histories. Like full screen screenshots that also show url of the person you're talking to. But even more important, complete conversations. From hello to goodbye. Right now you have only shown as small snippets of conversations. Those snippets don't tell the whole story.

I recommend using this link: https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/GetFriendMessagesLog. You can find every single message to every person you have ever talked to on steam in here, even if they are not your friends anymore. Just make sure messages overlap in screenshots and to also hover over their name to make sure the url shows in the bottom corner.

Anyhow, I personally am very interested in seeing the full conversation of the following trades:

1) the Celestial Summit Lid

2) the Bone Zone Heralds Helmet

3) the Revenant's Rack Demonic Dome

4) the Stellar Ascent Power Spike

5) the Acidic Climate Brothers in Blues

Reason for my edit: formatting

^ Don't forget the sapped lid 😊

Dom,

Thank you for the interest.

First of all, so you understand perfectly that I paid more than the highest buyers for all the trades, is that correct? It is a simple yes or no question.

I have checked out the link you sent, messages are not accessible anymore, apparently they only last for 15 days.

If you have anything useful to contribute to, please feel free to.

Hi cmpp,

Yes I understand you paid more than the highest buy orders at the time. However, that is not the only characteristic that defines sharking. If you carefully read my past messages you would have known that the context in which trades are made is just as important. Anyhow, weird that it only shows the past 15 days. I just checked myself and have the same issue. In the past I was able to load everything I ever said to a person. It is very sad we won't be able to see conversations further back than this.

Lucky for you and me, some interesting other trades also took place within the past 15 days. Let me list some:

1) Stellar Ascent Blast Defense, 3 November

2) Hellspawned Horns Blast Defense, 2 November

3) The Bone Zone Herald's Helm, 31 October

It would be good for everyone to see those conversations in full.

Yes indeed the messages only last for 15 days.

And no you are wrong, sharking rules are very well defined by backpacktf officially, I strongly suggest you to look them up. You personally feeling that something is 'too low' doesn't mean anything. Sharking per backpack.tf rules is defined as lying or misrepresenting about item's value. I never value an item's worth if it is unpriced, I am in no position to do so, and I always offer more than the highest buyer is offering.

For a new unpriced item, I firmly believe nobody can tell you what the value is until there is an accepted price suggestion.

The sellers are all bp users with thousand plus dollar backpacks, and sure I can find the msg.

https://i.imgur.com/6TXTIou.png , https://i.imgur.com/VqgrTdC.png , https://i.imgur.com/A5EZkmR.png

They made the very first offer to me for 300, I countered with 265 full pure. Hope that's clear, I am happy to message them again if you want to confirm anything. You can also clearly see I stated nobody knows its value since it is new, I would never ever suggest a value of an unpriced item. I am well aware of the rules. And as you can see I also said I'd try to beat all buyers and all offers he got or I wouldn't waste his time. I was also upfront that I would relist them for 100+ to see if I get any offer. Hope all these help.

First you guys said I paid below buy orders,

So I showed proof with trade history.

Then you guys said I edited pictures,

So I showed proof by retaking multiple screenshots and got confirmation from sellers.

Then now you're asking to see how I offered on the hats,

So I showed proof with chat log.

Lmao what's the next one? I hacked into their computers made the trades for them? Seems like you guys are just moving goal posts non stop being in denial after being proven wrong over and over again. Only going to respond to moderators that are responsible for this report from now.

Let me reiterate my point.

Every. Single. Trade. I paid more than the highest buyers, for unpriced items at that. Apparently offering more than the highest buyers is not enough and there is a higher arbitary price that you must offer. I would love to hear how the line is drawn according to you guys' logic, since 99% of traders fall into this category.

-spam-

Hi cmpp,

Could you please do what we request? This would really help you out if you did nothing wrong. Full original conversations from start to finish for the Stellar Ascent Blast Defense, 3 November, the Hellspawned Horns Blast Defense, 2 November and the Bone Zone Herald's Helm, 31 October. You act smart but you seem to have a hard time reading.

Thanks

best way to prove it so no one can accuse you of editing either would be a video where you refresh the page the go from top to bottom, uncropped obviously

If he chooses to not show any of the original conversation from start to finish regarding the specific trades conducted that Dom pointed out, that may just fall under tampering with evidence, waiting for those logs to never be able to be opened again.

I do hope to see cmp -actually- proving his innocence here.

Why would it be a reason to bann him? he has a nice strategy. And you guys jealous of him?

Hi Taylan,

It matters because the context in which these trades are made matters. Manipulating, lying and misinforming people to convince them to do unbalanced trades is sharking. Therefore, we would like to see full conversations of a few unbalanced trades that cmpp has done in order to see if this would fall under sharking. Most of the trades mentioned above have been with unexperienced traders which are generally easier to mislead, which makes the context even more important.

Hope this explains it, thanks for your question!

Is this dude trying to wait 15 days just so that chat wipes out??? What a loser

Edit : he won't be able to claim an excuse like "omfg sorry i was so busy by the time i got back it was too late" lmao. Backpack already sets you online by being on the website, offline on steam doesn't work, he bumped here 3 hours ago already I'm pretty sure by the time he saw what we've sent : https://imgur.com/a/lGjS9p3 (there's even an uncropped screenshot, something cmp isn't even able to do :3)

I think if he does not reply with more evidence of his innocent, it's all wraps. All we want is the past chatlogs. That's all. If he will not get us that, that sounds like grounds for termination from this website.

Final time I post this here: https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/GetFriendMessagesLog

Stop Lurking. Wrap this up, ABC. Prove us wrong. All you got to do now is just show us unedited unsnapped chat logs through that Message log. That could point you in the right direction. Prove us wrong.

I have a hunch I already know what you're doing at this very moment though. No better than a bot.

Additional proof:

Bought Arachne's Web Gauzed Gaze (60) + The Bone Zone Herald's Helm (55+) for 95 keys the moment they were tradeable.

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198054842927#!/compare/1698710400/1698796800

Valuation of Gauzed Gaze = 60 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1699401600/1699660800

https://gyazo.com/c8ed4378e3ea7a2b1a0756aca1c277c5

Valuation of Herald's = 55+ Keys

No sales. Buy orders at 55 keys https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=The%20Bone%20Zone%20Herald%27s%20Helm&at=2023-11-11T18:18:26.503Z

And before Cmp says anything. They were at 55 keys when he bought it too - https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=The%20Bone%20Zone%20Herald%27s%20Helm&at=2023-10-31T23:26:39.000Z

Buy order was 52, did you even look at the link you sent? look at the person who has the buy orders, SUMO BOT's buy order is duplicated on gladiator so only the 52 shows on bp. Do you not know how gladiator works?

It's okay I got you, here's a screenshot of the classified listings minutes before the trade.

https://i.ibb.co/1mkC4dz/Screenshot-20231111-143456.png B/O 52 highest.

Indeed I bought the 1of1 unpriced gauzed gaze for 40~ then sold a week after. Lol okay? What is the issue here?

We're still waiting for the uncropped screenshots Dom requested above

Aw yes "I'm accusing you of murder, I have zero evidence, but you have to provide evidence you didn't commit murder"

The items you're referring to are not on this report by the submitter. If you have any evidence, feel free to submit a report. I would love to see them.

Is that not how law works? Both sides except you have provided un-tampered evidence. The only argument I've seen from your side is "compares are always wrong".

Please be reminded that the submitter filed this report for unbalanced trades, largely based off of one sided backpack compares which were proven wrong, and you guys already acknowledged that. Let me remind you that literally every single trade I offered more than the highest buyers.

Unless backpacktf rules that a trade for an unpriced item with no prior sale is unbalanced despite paying MORE than the highest buyers, then I would be keen to hear out how that arbitrary line is drawn.

I see users like Guns or MyNameisMax were banned after they were trading items of magnitudes lower value (for example, offering a priced 20key unusual for an unusual with 150 key buy order). Now that's unbalanced, objectively, not subjectively. Now, how can a trade be unbalanced if someone paid more than all the buyers? I would guess that more than 99% of pure sales in the world everyday were at higher than the highest buyers. Is there an arbitrary cutoff number? Perhaps you have to offer 10% more than the highest buyers? Or 20%? Or 30%? Please let me know guys.

I sincerely hope the moderators can clarify how a trade for a new unpriced item with brand new effect could be unbalanced when it is paid above all the highest buyers, when there is no price suggestion, no prior sales, with no one knowing what it is worth. I'm genuinely looking for an answer here. 🙏😊

Reminder. Have a good one

https://i.ibb.co/pdtfXqw/Screenshot-20231111-150317.png

Timtee try using Ctrl+F and search 'trade history' since you seem to have trouble reading. Hope that helps.

Okay, enough has been said here. Some of you are just arguing back and forth. Unless you explicitly are going to add to the report, do NOT comment.

Now, I will request @cmpp >Buying Unusuals Which was mentioned by @Dom.

1) Stellar Ascent Blast Defense, 3 November

2) Hellspawned Horns Blast Defense, 2 November

Complete conversation of this two purchases from this page -- https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/GetFriendMessagesLog --

Please find them on a web browser and hover your mouse over the name of the user you are interacting with so we can see the URL at the bottom left corner of the screen. Then upload them here or to an image hosting service (imgur for example) and post the links to your evidence of screenshot here.

EXAMPLE- should look like this - https://imgur.com/MjGyin8

If you Comment below without adding anything at all and just post to argue, actions will be taken accordingly.

Hi cmpp,

Hope all is well. You said you're not going to respond to anyone who is not a moderator anymore. I guess you're not going to respond to me anymore which fine, don't if you don't want to. However, it does not make your case look any better. People are going to jump to conclusions when you're not doing an easy thing that is requested, as seen from all the people who reacted above.

You also keep mentioning no price suggestions or prior sales. I bet people here can find cases of items you bought for cheap with prior sales. Anyhow, we all know that even for new items experienced traders can estimated prices pretty well. You're obviously experienced enough, since you want to take ''the risk of buying new items'' dozens of times. The only thing that really matters to me is the context. Its all about the context to determine if you're legitimately buying items cheap or that you're sharking unboxes. I honestly hope that moderators can at least agree with me on that.

Thanks again!

Edit: I was making this comment at the exact same time as OverduePixels, my apologies if I said anything already mentioned.

"You also keep mentioning no price suggestions or prior sales. I bet people here can find cases of items you bought for cheap with prior sales"

Dom, please do, what are you betting? I am dying to know. Please let me know what you are willing to bet, I am wiling to match. Find one item that I offered below the highest buyers please. just one I am begging you.

You should read up on what a selection bias is. It is in fact risky to buy new hats due to the volality. I have lost on many, even just recently, you realize buy orders often fall fast after the new effects hype die down right?

Bought Stellar Ascent Mean Captain for 230 pure and when buyers were 180. Then a few days later sellers went to 200 and buyers dropped to 170 (now recovered to 180). That is a LOSS for me.

Bought treasure trove antarcitc eyewear for 125 and couldn't sell it for months and now sellers at 90. That is a LOSS.

Bought Spider Web patriot peak when buy orders were higher, it even went to 100 at one point during the first week of update, now buyers dropped to 39 and seller at 100. That is a LOSS.

And tons of stuff I haven't been able to sell for months, which I won't know whether I'd lose or gain.

Selection bias is fun. You see the trades I made profit after, but you ignore the ones I lose on, nobody knows what a new hat with a new effect will sell for 2 weeks in the future. Don't whine after someone took a risk and offered more than any other.

Would have been funnier to see them fuming but since moderator is requesting them, here are all the uncropped screenshots. Uncropped all the way, profile URL at bottom left, showing message from a different person to show it is the very beginning of the conversation, showing banner at the top to show it is the very end of the conversation.

First you thought it was below buy order, then you were proven wrong.

Then you said it is edited, then you were proven wrong.

Then you said you need to see full chat, now you are going to be proven wrong again.

What is the next cope now? I hacked their computer and forced them to trade? Lmao.

https://i.imgur.com/pGK47gi.png

It speaks for itself, but since some people struggle to read, it clearly shows that they asked for 300 first then I made a counter offer and also reassuring that I'd pay more than the highest buyers. That's the entire convo from hello to goodbye (well technically we didn't say goodbye)

https://i.imgur.com/Qe6xrcn.png, https://i.imgur.com/dtjn8Pi.png, https://i.imgur.com/dsJQ8PA.png, https://i.imgur.com/udATBPX.png, https://i.imgur.com/n2pZ41X.png, https://i.imgur.com/BZ2iPo7.png, https://i.imgur.com/jUF2e7G.png

Much longer convo but all is here from the very first message to the very last. You can see on the first image I had a message with Dolphin bot, indicating this is the very first message with seller, and last message I sent just today just to show it is the last message. I offered 45 (the highest buy orders were 20 at the time, they are 21, 20.04, 20.02 right now as I am typing), and we settled at 52. Then we discussed on other items but never traded anything after. You can also see the seller said he believes I would be able to make profits on it, very kind of him, although that is his opinion.

Not once did I ever suggest a value of the item, let alone lie/mispresent the value (backpacktf official sharking rules). I am very well aware of the rules, I never suggest what an item is worth, especially if it is unpriced, I am in no position to do so, nobody knows what an item is worth when the it just came out just a couple weeks prior. Let me repeat, I would never and will never suggest what an item is worth, since some people might think I am misrepsenting the value, so I never do that. They can either accept or decline my offer, that's it, which by the way, are always MORE than the highest buyers.

Hi cmpp,

Thanks for sharing. I personally see nothing wrong with those two conversations. One thing that could be up for debate is this message in the horns blast defense series:

cmpp to Gburger, Nov 2 2023 @ 6:33 PM EST

''how much would you ask for? it is interesting that purple horns has buyers at 55 keys on backpacktf, but the team colored is only at 20 somehow, which is DEFINITELY TOO LOW, to be clear''

Obviously, buy orders don't equal actual worth of an item. For example unusual Coffin Kits are in reality worth far more than 500 keys but the buy orders for most effects are at that level. The above mentioned message kinda implies buy orders, or how you framed it ''buyers'', are the real value for this item. In that case you did suggest a value of the item. Despite this comment, I personally do not think these two cases fall under sharking. Interested in seeing what the moderators and the rest of the trading community thinks.

Thanks again, no further questions from me

I would like to remind the thread that this report was for unbalanced trades, not sharking. There is no real evidence of sharking taking place from what I have seen. Sharking requires a greater burden of evidence. However, unbalanced trades do not require chatlogs to be proven. Abc’s counters to my and lemons points sum into: “future sales do not factor into the items price, even if its indate to the purchase of the item”, “how could I have known that the item would be worth x when there are no other sales at the time”, “I bought it for more than buyorders so therefore it cant be unbalanced”, and “I simply did not know how to use sites such as scm and marketplace, therefore it wasnt intentionally unbalanced.” No amount of back and forth is really going to change his or my/lemon’s interpretation of backpacks rules. It is up to the report team to decide if the above statements are false.

First your report claimed I paid below buy orders, which were all proven wrong. Then all the bystanders above said I sharked, then they were all proven wrong. Now the next thing is I should somehow predict the future? lol

Your argument is that I bought an unpriced hat with a brand new effect from a new update with no prior sales for X amount, and sold for more than X amount in the future, therefore it was unbalanced.

>>>>> In order for your interpretation to make any sense, I would have to have the ability to predict the future. <<<<<

YOU REALIZED AT THE TIME OF TRADE, NOT ME, OR ANY PERSON ON THIS PLANET CAN PREDICT FOR CERTAINTY THAT AN ITEM WOULD SELL FOR MORE OR LESS IN THE FUTURE RIGHT?

Your logical fallancy here is called hindsight bias and also selection bias. You are using the fact I finally sold a hat in the future for profit then. But I could not know if I could sell them for more, if I could even sell them. As for selection bias, you are ignoring the trades where I ended up losing since demand for some new effects drop fast. New hats / new effects naturally have super high range due to volitaility.

As mentioned, I have bought multiple hats with new effects and ended up losing on them as well, but you ignored all of them, interesting...

Bought Stellar Ascent Mean Captain for 230 pure and when buyers were 200. Then a few days later sellers went down to 200 and buyers dropped to 170 (now recovered to 180). Was a loss.

Bought treasure trove antarcitc eyewear for 125 and couldn't sell it for months and now sellers at 90. Was a loss.

Bought Spider Web patriot peak when buy orders were higher, buy orders even went to 100 at one point during the first week of update, now buyers dropped to 39 and seller at 100. Was a loss.

I guess with your logic, the sellers gave me unbalanced trades right? Lmao. It is just part of trading.

Also tons of stuff I haven't been able to sell for months, which I won't know whether I'd lose or gain. This is the risk when it comes to brand new effects, often the demand drops rapidly and I would be stuck with the item.

Imagine...

Imagine you decide to take a risk, beating every buyer and paid more than them for a new hat with brand new effect, with zero price suggestion, with zero prior sale to reference. Your bet paid off eventually and you sold it for a profit in the future. Then now suddenly some guy calls this an unbalanced trade. LMAO. Is that not what trading is? God damn I guess every trader should be reported.

According to your logic offering more than highest buyers for a brand new hat is still unbalanced, so there must be an arbitary line? How do you suppose someone should offer on a new hat with brand new effect, released weeks prior, with 0 price suggestion and 0 prior sale? Please tell me what I should do. More than highest buyers is not enough? Should I do 10% more? 20% more? 30% more? Perhaps the moderators set a rule that someone needed to offer a certain amount even more than the highest buyers in order to not be considered too low, but I must have missed that.

Let's make this easier.

STEVE PLEASE ANSWER ME:

I am going to offer on a Stellar Ascent Rotation Sensation now (as an example). What should I offer, Steve? 450? 500? 600? 700? 1000? What if I offer 500 but then nobody would buy for more later? What if I offer 1000 then sold it for 1500 next month? You gonna call that unbalanced? Should I offer 2 golden pans? Please tell me what I should do here to avoid an unbalanced trade with your logic since you can predict the future. I wish I could predict the future too. Please do tell.

Talk about selection bias, love how you skip over the particularly bad trades lol. The Onis were not brand new at the time of your purchase. In fact, the majority of the trades were not new items. If you buy a hat for 300 keys that easily quicksales for double that, and resells for triple of that, it is OBVIOUSLY unbalanced. You are being intellectually dishonest. And this whole thing where you have 0 clue of the value of a new hat is absurd anyways. See how you started the value of the rotation off at 450, instead of say 100? Because you KNOW rotations sell high. Higher than say a bat hat. Regardless of generation of effects, hats still sell in relative patterns. It is NOT up for you to decide if buying above buyorders is good enough for it to not be a punishable trade. It is up to the report staff. You are again just arguing that point.

This whole thing of “Well if what ive done is wrong, pretty much all traders should be punished!!” Is also dishonest. As i pointed out, you are proven to pretty much solely target new unboxers and non traders. Before you bought NEARLY EVERY item this past year, they were all 1 history items. I AGREE that other traders send terrible offers all the time too; however, none have targetted fresh unboxers to the degree that you have. This is from you spamming premium search in order to find these hats, hence the abuse of prem search I mentioned in the opening section of my first post.

What are you talking about? The Oni was literally unpriced with 0 prior sale, that's as new as the hat could get. Only two other effects were priced and they were at 460 and 290, that's called facts. So you had an issue with paying 320 when the only priced effects were 290 and 460? Then you're using sales that happened months later in the future as your point? Lmfao

I started rotation at 450 instead of 100 because buy orders are at 405. Are you acting stupid or actually stupid? Lol you can't be real. If I'm buying new effects from a new update that just came out, of course they don't have history, use logic to think.

You haven't answered me, what should I offer for a stellar rotation? Since you can predict the future. I don't know how to predict the future. What should I offer, Steve? 450? 500? 600? 700? 1000? What if I offer 500 but then nobody would buy for more later? What if I offer 1000 then sold it for 1500 next month? You gonna call that unbalanced? Should I offer 2 golden pans? Please tell me what I should do here to avoid an unbalanced trade with your logic since you can predict the future. I wish I could predict the future too. Please do tell.

Thats clearly not “as new as a hat gets” since you bought the oni significantly after that generation’s effects ended? What? Talk about dense lol. PLENTY of hats from those effects were already priced. Thats no longer “new”. You have PLENTY of data points to look at for what the oni could be worth. Again, you cite the horseman’s hack sale. Just dear lord refer to my posts above when I compare the average price of horseman hack to eerie kraken. Eerie kraken sells for on average, DOUBLE what horseman hack sells for, yet you paid SIGNIFICANTLY LESS than what horseman hack sold for. That is such a fact against you, so idk why you keep comparing the two effects? Are you dense?

I don’t care about the rotation since it isnt included in the above trades. I dont need a hypothetical. We have pages and pages of you doing scummy trades. You are just fighting to get the last word in while arguing the same points over and over.

You want to talk about facts then why do you keep ignoring the fact that it had 0 prior sale, 0 price suggestion, and I still more than double of buy orders? Not to mention the fact that it was my first ever trade with more than 300 keys since 2014, I thought I overpaid hard since I was paying so much over the other buyers and the hat was not priced, did not feel safe at all. Your opinion says it could be more, and that's your opinion. can your opinion be used for price suggestion? And why are you mentioning sales that would happen months later in the future? Was I supposed to know the future? Could ANYTHING in this world be used to price suggest the hat AT THE TIME? The answer is nothing. Nothing in this world could be used to price suggest the hat AT THE TIME OF TRADE. Learn what hindsight bias is, and stop referencing events that happen in the FUTURE. It is like explaining to a 12 years old.

Thank you for proving my point! The fact that you are refusing to even just suggest what to offer on a hypothetical hat (stellar rotation) says it all. I guess you finally realized how stupid your logic is lol. Cuz you can't know what it can sell for a week or a month later. Nobody on this planet can.

What if I offer 500 for the stellar rotation then nobody would buy it for more later? Not unbalanced right?

Or what if I offer 1500 keys for the stellar rotation but then sell it for 2500 next month, you will then call it unbalanced? Lmao

Do you understand the point now? The point is nobody on Earth can know what an unpriced hat with new effect is worth until there is a sale or price suggestion. All you do is looking at future sales in hindsight, which nobody could have known from the past.

Steve, the King of Hindsight :)) Please tell me where the stock market is going next month!

If you told me if a hat was PRICED at 500 keys and then someone offered 200, I would AGREE with you that is unbalanced. For sure.

But now you are telling me that for a hat with brand NEW effect from a NEW update, with ZERO price suggestion, with ZERO prior sales, where NOBODY knows its worth, and I offered MORE than all the highest buyers, and I have to somehow magically know the FUTURE of how much it can sell for? And If I sell for more in the future then it becomes unbalanced? Are you a comedian or just delusional? Not to mention that new hats/effects have wild range with high volaility, I have also lost on a bunch buying brand new effects and then the hype dies down.

Please actually think for a second. Your logic makes zero sense, or perhaps you are a time traveller?

What are you waffling about.

We used proof, data, and facts withing our evidence.

Sales are data.

You just pulled random screenshots of traders opinions in half of your evidence?

Oni wasnt new, kraken oni was out for over 2 full seasonal events by the time you bought it, oni was bought for a shit price, far below its quicksale value and far below its expected value when you compare EFFECT PRICING between the effects you mentioned. These are factual statements that you just completely ignored.

You are rambling about the same 0 prior sale argument again.

It wasn't "ignored", it was explained why that is NOT a valid reason to offer shit deals.

I will not respond further to these claims, as I have already explained MANY times in SEVERAL posts about why its silly that 0 prior trades + low buyorders = you can offer whatever you want.

You are using data from the FUTURE, are you actually dumb or trolling?

WHEN I bought the hats AT THE TIME they were unpriced, with no prior sales, no price suggestion. I paid MORE than the highest buyers for every single one of them. AND THEN IN THE FUTURE they were sold later, nobody would know what they could sell for, nobody can predict the future. You are looking back in something called HINDSIGHT, it is easy for you to say now that "oh it sold for more a month later!". Nobody would have known what the future holds. I would not know if I could sell it for more. I have lost on a bunch of new unpriced hats too, why don't you mention them? You only want to focus on the winners after someone took the risks?

I cannot predict what a new hat will be in the future, nobody can. Are you this stupid? Your logic is so dumb it is like talking to a 12 years old. I always offer more than all the highest buyers, MORE, do you know what MORE means? You aren't even denying the fact that I paid more than the highest buyers. If that is not good then what does that make all the buyers? I can never know if the hat will sell for more in the future, it is a risk I am willing to take on a new hat with new effect on a new update. I have lost on many hats as well when new event hype died down fast. You only want to shit talk after someone takes the risk and it pays off. Amazing. Should I whine when I buy a new hat then nobody wants it and I take the loss?

Not to mention how your report thought at first I paid below buy orders using your shitty backpack compare, then you were proven wrong. Now you know I in fact paid more than the highest buyer on every single offer, then you are pivoting to that I still should have predicted the future. Lmao truly a comedy.

Tell me what should I have offered then? No matter what I offered, if I somehow sold for more in the future you would still have a problem with it. I could have offered 10 golden pans but if I sold for 12 golden pans later you would still call it unbalanced. I bought my bone zone cranial cowl for 700 USD, is that balanced, Mr Steve the future predicter? If I sell it for more later, then it becomes unbalanced? If I can't sell it for more, then it is balanced? Please tell me Steve, I cannot predict the future but it seems that you can. This is NOT a hypothetical question, I did buy the hat.

Steve please answer. Is this an unbalanced trade? Or are you going to wait for a future sale then you will come back and say "I told you so" ?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND I CANNOT PREDICT THE FUTURE? I WON'T KNOW IF A NEW UNPRICED ITEM WILL BE MORE OR LESS LATER IN THE FUTURE. NOBODY KNOWS THE VALUE OF A NEW HAT WITH BRAND NEW EFFECT FROM A NEW UPDATE.

All you do is using hindsight looking from the future, what a genius you are. You probably think amazon stock price was 'obviously' too low back in 1998 too lmao. Next you are gonna tell me Denver Nuggets obviously would have won the NBA 2023 championship, the betting odds were obviously unbalanced!

It is simple logic but you seem to struggle with common sense.

If you told me if a hat was PRICED at 500 keys and then someone offered 200, I would 100% AGREE with you that is unbalanced.

But now you are telling me that for an UNPRICED hat with brand NEW effect from a NEW update, with ZERO price suggestion, with ZERO prior sales, where NOBODY knows its worth, and I offered MORE than all the highest buyers, and I have to somehow magically know the FUTURE of how much it will sell for???

Additional proof:

https://backpack.tf/item/13663631309 Stellar Ascent Mean Captain

Paid = 160 keys the second it was tradeable (Keys match Cmpp even when Cmpp isn't in the history, that's because he sometimes sends it to mannco.store to cover up his tracks slightly)

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199006740175#!/compare/1697414400/1697846400

Valuation:

He sold it via mannco it seems. Likely for $399.99 https://gyazo.com/25ff8870c08416c299966975bc97c392 = 247 keys

Open suggestion for 217 keys - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/654428ff6ffafcf74004bf36

160 is also below buyers now AND below buyers at the time - https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Stellar%20Ascent%20Mean%20Captain&at=2023-10-21T06:28:47.000Z

https://backpack.tf/item/13686109676 Nightmarish Storm Tundra Top

Paid = 240 keys (143+46+51)

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198844778810#!/compare/1699315200/1700092800 - 143 keys visible. I'm assuming that there were more keys which were used to buy the Rocket and Scattergun.

Scattergun was purchased for 46 keys https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198140559064#!/compare/1699920000/1700092800

Rocket was purchased for 51 keys https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198080394134#!/compare/1700006400/1700092800

Valuation =

No sales currently. But there's a buy order at 300 keys https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Nightmarish%20Storm%20Tundra%20Top&at=2023-11-16T10:37:38.508Z

AND the buy order at 300 was there from the earliest date in the compare link: https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Nightmarish+Storm+Tundra+Top&at=2023-11-07T10%3A37%3A38.000Z

You are actually proving my point, thank you!

He offered the price to me and I even told him highest buyer was at 166 (To be specific, the buyers at the time were myself and 'Ragnar' at 166, then 'pls be patient' at 155, then Fluffy Tuffy at 151), but he was willing to give me a discount to do 160 pure.

PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/j83bsUE.png

Thankfully I have proof, your speculation is wrong.

What's funny is, you are actually proving my point because I bought the exact same hat a week later for 230 pure, which's higher than where the sellers AND the price suggestion is at now (seller now at 215 and hasn't sold, there is an openprice suggestion for 217 now as you have said?), so I LOST on the trade. You are proving that I cannot predict the future with the volitality of new effects, resulting in my loss. I take risks and that can result in losses often.

PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/uzJxgX6.png , 295 pure for stellar mean captain and spectral wick hat outta hell, hat outta hell was valued at 65 for our trade, or if you want to use the price suggestion of 71, then the mean captain would be valued at 295-71=224. Either way you want to value it, I LOST on this trade according to your logic.

So I bought the EXACT same hat twice, once I gained, once I lost, since I couldn't predict the future, but interestingly you conveniently never mentioned the trade where I lost, selection bias heavily at work eh?

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT that I cannot predict the future, and me buying unpriced hats for more than the highest buy orders often results in losses for me as well.

For the tundra, firstly you are wrong on the trade amount but at least you said you assumed there were more keys, you are right. I met the guy while playing on a casual payload upward game, he offered to sell for 250 keys pure. Unlucky for you, not only your speculation of trade amount is incorrect, I was also offered the trade by him. His offer sounded good to me so I agreed to it. If I were to make an offer though, then I would have checked the listings first. Just got his confirmation as well below. Remember, look at proof not speculations.

PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/7F5C9ti.png

PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/v5ufWmb.png

UPDATE: https://i.imgur.com/BsKyZMh.png

Keep trying, hope one day you will find just one trade where I offered less than the highest buyers, it is not going to happen but I wish you good luck regardless.

Once again thank you for proving my exact point :)

Mean captain-

Your post proves surprisingly little.

All this screenshot proves is that the dude knows nothing about trading

https://i.imgur.com/j83bsUE.png

He clearly doesnt know what a buyorder really is, or does not speak english, at that point its kinda your job to send the full BUYORDER offer.

I mean it doesnt come off as a "discount" here, especially since I know that you added him solely for trading.

If this was a one time occurrence, I do not think it would be damning; however, given the pattern shown, its still a noteable sale.

What does a 6 key loss on a 200+ key hat really prove here?

All it does is prove that 160 is ridiculously cheap, since you were willing to pay 230 for the same hat?

Tundra-

"Keep trying, hope one day you will find just one trade where I offered less than the highest buyers, it is not going to happen but I wish you good luck regardless."

You literally paid less than buyers here.

Your out of context steam chat history (https://imgur.com/7F5C9ti) proves nothing, since you guys met and negotiated in game, as per your own admission.

Please post the rest of the chatlogs of this interaction with the user, as this doesnt appear to be your first message to him.

I literally offered to send full buy order offer, did you not read the screenshot? Try to read before typing?

You said "What does a 6 key loss on a 200+ key hat really prove here?". No it is not a 6 key loss, and what don't you understand?

https://next.backpack.tf/suggestions/654428ff6ffafcf74004bf36 This is the current open price suggesiton.

It is being priced at 208-225 based on 8 sales. EIGHT. And I paid more than every single one of them. This proves that it can go both ways, I also often pay too much that results in losses. You and Lemon literally conveniently never mentioned this trade, I wonder why?

How come you didn't mention it being unbalanced when I took the risk and bought my stellar mean captain then lost money because I can't predict the future?

How come you didn't mention it being unbalanced when I took the risk and bought my treasure trove eyewear then lost money because I can't predict the future?

How come you didn't mention it being unbalanced when I took the risk and bought my web patriot peak then lost money because I can't predict the future?

How come you didn't mention it being unbalanced when I took the risk and bought all the other items that I bought months ago and still haven't sold then lost money because I can't predict the future?

You only want to select the ones that paid off after I took the risk? Interesting.

I didn't offer, that's the point, he literally made the offer and I accepted. "out of context chat history" lmao how about this? Literally uncropped full screen from start to finish. Will update with his response as well. https://i.imgur.com/bVLwi03.png You feel dumb now?

"I literally offered to send full buy order offer, did you not read the screenshot? Try to read before typing?"

I explained why this doesn't necessarily mean anything, as the guy clearly doesnt understand what a buyorder is, or doesnt speak english. Just read the screenshot? Its OBVIOUS that the dude has no clue whats going on? You can not in good faith read those logs and go "hmm i guess he was just giving me a friends discount!"

In the trades we listed, you made several thousand keys of profit in sum.

Lets take a your claims though.

"How come you didn't mention it being unbalanced when I took the risk and bought my stellar mean captain then lost money because I can't predict the future?"-

Bitching about the other mean captain, lets look at it-

https://backpack.tf/item/13645908641

user you bought it from:

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198235304396

a TRADER, with MANY compare links from the past year.

hmmm interesting.

So abc doesnt make money when he trades a trader, but makes large % profit on the mean captain he buys off a fresh unboxer non trader

Bitching about the spider peak too

https://backpack.tf/item/13646904697

user you bought it from

https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198113622176

a trader with thousands of cash rep

interesting.

now i dont know who you bought the eyewear from since you sniped it so fast that it was unloaded, but regardless, its interesting how atleast 2/3rds of the sales you linked there about times you lost money are from times that you traded people who werent clueless about the site?

Really hammers home my point lol.

The stellar mean captain guy you linked literally has a $180 backpack, way smaller than average, how does that make sense? Suddenly he is a trader now according to your logic, but when I gained trading with someone with a 10X bigger backpack they suddenly arent traders?

'Thousand of cash reps' where 23 out of 28 reps were from more than 8 years ago? And he has a $10 backpack now? Lmfao please make it make sense. So, with your logic, a $180 backpack and a $10 backpack are 'traders' now? But if I profited after trading with someone with a backpack 10x bigger they are suddenly not traders? Okay got it, perfect.

1-

The people you bought from had UNLOADED backpacks, with Only a handful of compare links usually.

Check that guy, hes got atleast 30-40 links.

He doesnt have to be a BIG trader, but he is A TRADER.

He also actually uses backpack lol.

2-

You cannot look at this guy and tell me hes not a trader.

https://backpack.tf/trust/76561198113622176

thats like 2k usd in cash rep this year?

he also has plenty of compare links

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198113622176#!/compare/NaN/1700092800

hes traded THOUSANDS of dollars before, so hes MUCH more likely to understand trading than some fresh 0 dollar bp, yes?

i mean he has several points in the past few years where his backpack was worth several thousand. Its so intellectually dishonest to label him as a "10 dollar backpack"

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198113622176?time=1614574800

14 days ago-

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198113622176?time=1699056000

Wonderful, now so do I trade with unboxers or do I trade with traders? Please pick one. Or, according to your logic, it is only 'traders' when I lose, then unboxers if I gain? Lmfao nice logic. Quoting you, in exact: "He doesnt have to be a big trader, but he is a trader. He also actually uses backpack lol.", this is what you just said, perfect! 10 dollar and 180 dollar backpacks are traders when I lose, but thousand dollar backpacks are not traders when I gain, lmao! You realize that everyone is a backpack user if they show up on history right?

You have so many opinions but I have yet to see one trade where I offered below highest buyers, which would be unbalanced. I am still waiting.

Brother i will go through and link every trade you made this year if that would be what you need in order to understand the type of people you trade. It cant be that hard to understand. Ive only explained it 20 times by now?

And, no that is not the definition of unbalanced. Please link me to the site rules that say buyorders dictate what is or is not balanced.

You've just made up the rule in your head? Seriously you keep harping about buyorders but again, point to that loophole in the rules?

If offering MORE than the highest buyers isn't enough, then where do you draw the line? There must be an arbitary line then? Please tell me how an item where nobody can know its value should be priced since you can predict the future. Just use my cranial cowl as example, is it unbalanced? Yes? No? If I sell it for more in the future then it becomes unbalanced? Please explain to me how an unpriced item with no prior sale nor price suggestion should be valued, I would love to learn, since apparently you can predict the future.

Let's say I want to offer on a stellar rotation, what does your expert opinion say? I don't want to offer an 'unbalanced' trade, so tell me what I should offer to not be unbalanced? Obviously I would match or beat all the buyers as I always do, but now the question is, is offering 420 unbalanced? Is offering 450 unbalanced? Is offering 600 unbalanced? Is offering 1000 unbalanced? What if I offer 1000 but sell it for 1500 next week? I mean, I cannot predict the future but it seems that you can, please tell me Mr Hindsight

Hi cmpp,

I would like to add that you keep saying “buyers” but the right term is buy orders. Just because something has low buy orders doesn’t mean nobody would pay more than the buy orders. I would argue that every trader would offer more than buy orders. Meaning you are not the highest buyer, you have the highest buy order. Which makes a difference when talking to people unexperienced with trading. In some context it looks like you say you always pay more than others, which isn’t true, you just have the highest buy order.

Additional proof:

Bulky sale.

Seller's side: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198088998739#!/compare/1697500800/1697587200

Cmpp's side: https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1697500800/1697587200

Paid 200 keys for Sapped Brothers in Blues (48) + Stellar Ascent Power Spike (407) + Acidic Climate Brothers in Blues (183+) = 638 keys worth of unusuals.

17 keys match the seller's compare. But the CPS Le Party was purchased the same day for 180 keys -

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198106511423#!/compare/1697500800/1697587200

180 + 17 keys = 197. But I'll round to 200 because that's likely what it sold for.

Valuations:

Sapped Brother in Blues = 48 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198968015999#!/compare/1696377600/1697068800 - Purchased here for 48 keys

Stellar Ascent Power Spike = 407 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198043902761#!/compare/1699488000/1699747200 - Sold for 407 keys

Acidic Climate Brothers in Blues =

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1697932800/1698019200

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198110720982#!/compare/1697932800/1698019200 - Sold for all the unusuals seen here.

Adding the current buy orders for all of those hats it equals 183 keys.

Further additional proof:

Celestial Summit Mean Captain (135 keys)

https://backpack.tf/item/13665172648

Purchased the day it was tradeable by Cmpp for 70 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198871590706#!/compare/1697328000/1697500800

Valuation:

I don't need to investigate sales to prove the point here.

Buyers are now 135 keys - https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Celestial%20Summit%20Mean%20Captain&at=2023-11-18T13:59:42.271Z

Buyers at the time were 135 keys https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Celestial+Summit+Mean+Captain&at=2023-10-15T12%3A59%3A42.000Z

More additional proof:

Stellar Ascent Herald's Helm

https://backpack.tf/item/13699354400

Paid 250 keys -

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198200589902#!/compare/1697500800/1697932800

Valuation of Herald's =

There are currently no valid sales.

Buyers now are 255 https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Stellar%20Ascent%20Herald%27s%20Helm&at=2023-11-18T14:05:08.593Z

Buyers then were 200 https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Stellar%20Ascent%20Herald%27s%20Helm&at=2023-10-22T21:33:26.000Z

Whilst this purchase was above the buy orders at the time, I'll just leave it here incase it resells and it can be valued properly.

--> Buy orders on the Heralds were 400 keys a week ago.

Additional proof:

Isotope Sacred Slayer War Paint (Field-Tested) (175ish)

https://backpack.tf/item/12961771173

Paid a Disco Beat Down El Jefe (69 keys)

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198285461587#!/compare/1689811200/1689897600

Valuation of Jefe = 69 keys

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/653a2ff3babc41e6850ff5a8 - Priced recently. Sales at the time of purchase were slightly lower https://backpack.tf/suggestion/64bc19c11cf60b2b1a01849c so 69 might be an over-valuation for the time.

Valuation of Paint = 175ish

No sales. But buyers at 75 keys - https://gyazo.com/760eb45c71c06e6d255a76844ac6d8bb

The Cool Sacred Slayer War Paint (Field-Tested) sold recently on marketplace.tf for around 175 keys - https://backpack.tf/suggestion/655094beb9e103b16907607b

Whilst this isn't the exact same, it's widely accepted that Isotope is worth more, in general, than cool.

Cursed Forever! Antarctic Eyewear (180 keys)

https://backpack.tf/item/12268462740

Paid a Disco Beat Down Salty Dog (<76 keys)

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198071032832#!/compare/1686614400/1689897600

Valuation of Salty = <76 keys

Seller at 76 keys at the time of sale. https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Disco+Beat+Down+Salty+Dog&at=2023-06-13T15%3A29%3A57.000Z

I can go through sales at this time if a report mod needs me to.

Valuation of Eyewear = 180 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198094878213#!/compare/1693267200/1693353600 - Bought off Cmpp for 180 keys

Imagine being a price mod and being this wrong lmfao. It is really incredible.

Here I will help you out since you seem to be quite incompetent. All PROOF provided.

Power Spike:

AT THE TIME OF TRADE, there was no prior sale. Buy Order was 76.01, 76, 70, then there was me at 150, paying MORE THAN DOUBLE of buyers.

PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/rnQsJbN.png

PROOF Seller Confirm: https://i.imgur.com/E34jtI1.png

You valued the power spike at 407? Lmfaooooooooooo first of all, the seller literally bought it for 260 (https://i.imgur.com/4RU95yr.png), and I also sold for less. Secondly, that happened way later in the FUTURE, literally AFTER I already traded the spike away. Third, I listed my hat at 400 for a while, and went unsold, that literally proves it wasn't worth more than 400 at the time. I wonder why you conveniently ignored that? So there are 4 proven sales (mine being the first ever sale, no prior sale), and you are using the highest outlier as price suggestion? There is no way you didn't know how to price suggest as a price mod right? Unless you are intentionally trying to mislead : )

THANK YOU for proving that I took the risk to pay MORE THAN DOUBLE of other buyers.

Next.

Mean Captain:

Buyers at the time was 87, how are you a price mod and don't understand how gladiator time machine works? This is so fucking embarassing for you LOL holy shit.

Look at all the BOs from ultrabot, ultrabot showed up 4 times, do you think backpack was displaying 4 buy orders from the same bot at the same time? Try using your brain. Only Lemon will see this and say yep that's normal LMFAO: https://i.imgur.com/ApW8fVj.png

It is a glad bot bug when bot owner manually updates their B/O later without removing, you literally did the same fucking thing with the bone zone heralds helm earlier (https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=The+Bone+Zone+Herald%27s+Helm&at=2023-10-28T03%3A41%3A00.000Z), 52 and 55 from the same bot showing up twice after they updated it to 55, I already explained to you, how are you so fucking stupid lol?

Even using the stellar power spike as example above:

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Stellar+Ascent+Power+Spike&at=2023-10-25T19%3A44%3A00.000Z

Look at this shit LMFAO

Screenshot PROOF, Highest B/O at 87, ultrabot at 82: https://i.imgur.com/gjO85PD.png

ultrabot owner Ultralow confirms it was 82: https://i.imgur.com/VAufHuY.png

Not only that, your one sided compare is also wrong lmfao. Paid 93, PROOF: https://i.imgur.com/8A9HV5B.png

Your stuff full of misonfirmation and speculations are actually so cringe to read lol...

"Additional Proof" LMFAO. Thank you for proving how incompetent you are and the fact I always offer more than all other buyers.

Next.

Stellar Herald.

Same gladiator dupe bug as mean captain. Look at the ultrabot B/O, showed up both at 200 and 100 posted same time and date, the 200 was added later. Regardless if you ignore the bug, 250 was still more than 200, don't even know what your issue is.

Here if you are blind: https://i.imgur.com/6kdBmDr.png

Highest BO was 125 and I agreed to pay DOUBLE of it: https://i.imgur.com/xQv4GvN.png

Seller has a 10K+ backpack.

Imagine being this stupid as a price mod, literally amazing. I have no idea how someone as incompetent as you are are placed at your role. No offense.

It is actually so cringe that a price mod doesn't know how gladiator time machine works, or genuinely thinks one sided incomplete backpack compare shows any full trade.

Next.

The sacred slayer seller himself already explained he made the offer, READ: https://i.imgur.com/woQL9Sk.png

I did not make the offer, I simply accepted his offer.

Also, the price suggestion you are linking was posted in November, the trade was in July, am I supposed to predict the future 4 months later? Please use logic.

It was my first elite grade unusual war paint EVER, and my only prior experience with high grade unusual war paint was an Assassin grade FN cool bonzo gnawed that I sold for a loss (~70) after struggling for months, this was one grade higher but two wears lower.

Similarly for the eyewear, this was already addressed in the report, if only you knew how to read. My salty dog had a HIGHER buy order than the unpriced eyewear, my salty dog was priced, with higher buy orders and more liquidity, it was much safer by every metric. I was taking a big risk buying the unpriced eyewear with lower buy orders, it was quite likely that I would lose on the trade. It took me 2.5 months to turn a profit. Not only that, the seller listed the eyewear for sale on classified on bp. It is funny how you only show up after I took the risk and it pays off. If I didn't manage to sell the eyewear then it wouldn't be unbalanced according to you, I guess I have to predict the future.

You seem to struggle with how time works, please stop using FUTURE sales as an argument. I highly recommend you to google what Hindsight Bias is. When you are looking backward months into the future, any normal trade with profit is considered problematic to you, with your logic you can report 99% of traders on this website.

Again and again, if an item was priced at the time and someone offered significantly lower, I would wholeheartedly 100% agree with you that is unbalanced, or, if someone offers below the highest buyers frequently, that would also be unbalanced. However, I cannot understand how your logic believes someone can and need to predict what an unpriced item would sell for in the future.

According to your logic:

1. I need to magically know the future what a new unpriced item with a new effect from a new update will sell for

2. Beating all the buyers is not enough, there is an arbitary line or number that I have to offer (but you can never tell me where that line is?)

Your logic got destroyed the moment I asked you to tell me what I should offer on a stellar ascent rotation sensation (or ANY unpriced hat with no prior sale, for that matter). Because neither me, or you, or anyone on this planet can predict what a new unpriced item can sell for in the future.

So Steve and Lemon, please just give me a number. What should I offer on a stellar ascent rotation sensation? It is unpriced with no prior sale. You seem to know how to avoid unbalanced trades. Just say a number, what should I offer to avoid an unbalanced trade here?

I am genuinely curious, how can you or backpacktf officials even consider a trade to be unbalanced if it was: offered MORE than all the highest buyers, AND the item was new and unpriced, or/and has no prior sales, where literally nobody in the world knows how much it is worth at the time.

This is your logic my friend.

https://i.imgur.com/p1npqTM.png

https://i.imgur.com/p1npqTM.png

https://i.imgur.com/p1npqTM.png

with "pepper3" about the first sale, you said and confirmed you paid 150k for the power spike alone, but did not mention anything else about the 2 other unusuals (Sapped Brothers in Blues + Acidic Climate Brothers in Blues), and didn't deny paying 200 keys for this sale.. Given the old buy orders for these (https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Acidic+Climate+Brothers+in+Blues&at=2023-10-17T00%3A17%3A00.000Z + https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Sapped+Brothers+in+Blues&at=2023-10-16T23%3A46%3A00.000Z) did you just confirm you paid 50k only for both of these (25 + 58).....?

I now take screenshots of every single trade.

PROOF of trade history, Lemon's one sided bp compare is wrong again lmao, who would have thought: https://i.imgur.com/CTg0H4S.png

PROOF of seller offering a discount if I buy them all (doesn't really matter here, I paid more than buy orders, with or without discount): https://i.imgur.com/QMJvkD2.png

While it is true that buy orders have risen up now, I could not have predicted it. Please understand I beat all the highest buyers AT THE TIME.

https://i.imgur.com/CTg0H4S.png

Trade was at 3:02am, my 150 buy order was put up at 10:51am, more than 7 hours AFTER the trade.

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Stellar+Ascent+Power+Spike&at=2023-10-18T01%3A39%3A00.000Z

Highest buyer was 75-76 at the time, so I paid a lot more than all the buyers. They also did not have prior sales so that was the risk I was wiling to take.

Hope that helps

Additional proof:

Hot Polter-Guised War Paint (Field-Tested) (valuation below)

https://backpack.tf/item/13140177881

Paid = 16 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198133876512#!/compare/1687219200/1690502400

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1687219200/1687305600 - Sold for enough keys to buy the Aces High Shoestring Santa + Strange BINOCULUS! = 16 keys

They paid 14 keys + 2 keys in sweets (Using ID 13169872803 from Binoculous)

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199084784906#!/compare/1687219200/1687305600

Valuation of Paint =

No sales. Backpack.tf price is 115 keys, although that price is 2 years old.

There is a sale for the BS Version this year https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17295;5;u701;w5;pk295 at around 58 keys.

Buyers at the time of purchase were 48 keys https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Hot+Polter-Guised+War+Paint+%28Field-Tested%29&at=2023-06-20T00%3A22%3A00.000Z

This is embarrassing for you lol.. how many times do you have to clown yourself using one sided bp compare.

TRADE HISTORY:

https://i.imgur.com/eWkHuiN.png 

LMAOOO

You really saw my side of 700+ items leaving and his side of compare spanning more than 30 days (you are comparing the difference between June 20 to July 28) and thought yep this must be the trade! Lmao

Might as well compare between June and November then? It should show that I bought it for free (wow!) if you follow the one sided bp compare. How are you a price mod lmfao, I would just resign if I were you I'm dying here lol.

It has been 5 months (bought on June 20) and I still haven't sold it (listed at 149.99 currently, which would be 149.99/1.71 = 87 keys and unsold).

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17295;15;u701;w3;pk295

I literally lost on this trade lmao. You actually have just been proving my point over and over again by showing the trades I lost on. Thank you Lemon!

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100 replies on this thread and you still can't find ONE trade where I offered below the highest buyers. What a giant waste of time.

Looking at the reports on users that were banned for unbalanced trades, e.g. Guns, SoMyNameIsMax, they were offering BELOW buy orders by a significant amount over dozens of instance. For example, offering a hat with 30 key seller for a hat with 150 key buy order (20% of buy order value). I 100% agree those were unbalanced, since it fits an objective criteria that they were below buy orders, with a large difference, and over many instances.

Meanwhile I don't even have ONE trade where I offered less than the highest buyers.

If you believe a trade for a new unpriced hat with a new effect from a brand new update, where nobody on earth can know what it is worth, was bought for MORE than ALL the highest buyers, and it can be objectively ruled as unbalanced? Then please tell me where the line is drawn at. If someone offers MORE than the highest buyers then sell for more in the future, how can that be ever ruled as unbalanced objectively by officials? Sounds like normal trading to me. Such criteria would fit 99% of traders, btw.

https://i.imgur.com/LYktALo.png

https://i.imgur.com/LYktALo.png

https://i.imgur.com/LYktALo.png

https://i.imgur.com/LYktALo.png

https://i.imgur.com/LYktALo.png

These are all cropped screenshots, they can’t be used as proof for anything

All of them show the entire trade in one screenshot without cropping, what are you talking about? You want to include the browser tabs and taskbars? Sure.

All the trade history proof below how utterly useless one sided backpack compare is. These are the trades Steve and Lemon(price mod btw) thought were less than buy orders since they thought one sided backpack compare reflects a full trade. Embarrassing. You want my screenshots to include my task bars and chrome tabs so here you go.

https://i.imgur.com/i6xdkJv.png

https://i.imgur.com/3VYVrb3.png

https://i.imgur.com/BFg6SXj.png

https://i.imgur.com/Y9LBhsI.png

https://i.imgur.com/WXf3rHD.png

https://i.imgur.com/pprQ8YT.png

https://i.imgur.com/fzRFPkR.png

https://i.imgur.com/Plur6ex.png

https://i.imgur.com/R4AljeQ.png

https://i.imgur.com/ybuAGLE.png

https://i.imgur.com/ePzNggH.png

https://i.imgur.com/gWQVLDh.png

Happy now?

This you?? https://i.imgur.com/62gfhfb.png

This you?? https://i.imgur.com/62gfhfb.png

First it was "wah wah wah it was under buyers that's unbalanced!", then you were proven wrong, then the denial phase went to "wah wah wah paying more than buyers is still not enough", then you couldn't tell me how to draw the line cuz that's impossible, now it is "wah wah wah ackthually the proof were uncropped they don't count". lmao. What now?

https://i.imgur.com/LYktALo.png

Additional proof:

Acidic Climate Sightseer (119+) + Sunbeams Crone's Dome (250) = 369+

Both purchased for 304 keys - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198354605672#!/compare/1697414400/1697673600

Valuation of Crone's = 250 keys

https://backpack.tf/suggestion/6536e79da710895e8a0b6543 - Recently priced at 250 keys

Valuation of Sightseer = 119+

cmp sold his - https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198066256296#!/compare/1697414400/1698019200 - Unusuals have 119 in buy orders.

To add onto what Lemons posted:

Buy orders at the time of purchase via Time Machine:

Sunbeams Crone's Dome | Buy orders at 234 Keys (October 23rd 17:00:00 UTC): https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Sunbeams+Crone%27s+Dome&at=2023-10-24T16%3A00%3A00.000Z

Acidic Climate Sightseer | Buy orders at 100 Keys, ignoring the 110 buy order as it was listed by the same person, using the lowest (October 23rd 3:00:00 UTC): https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Acidic+Climate+Sightseer&at=2023-10-24T02%3A00%3A00.000Z

Shows that at the time of purchase, at best, cmp paid 30 Keys under buy orders ( (234 + 100) - 304)

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Acidic+Climate+Sightseer&at=2023-10-18T20%3A03%3A00.000Z

Buy order was 56, are you two stupid? Lmfao.

226+56 = 282. And I paid 300+

300 is more than 282 if you need help with grade 1 math.

Additional proof:

Hot Neon-ween War Paint (Field-Tested) (41+) + Isotope Warborn Grenade Launcher (Minimal Wear) (26+) = Above 67 keys (Worth nothing buyer has them both listed for around 110 keys on marketplace.tf, so 57 is almost half)

Both purchased for 57 keys -https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198049679363#!/compare/1699747200/1699920000 - First set of keys goes to Stickybomb and Keys leaving the compare go to the knife.

Valuation of Neon-Ween = 41+

No sales. Taking current buyers (because Glad is down) https://gyazo.com/499ef26d949cb2d4a2a2951b57ad2c9e = 41+

Valuation of Grenade = 26+

No sales again. No buyers for the Grenade either. But buyers pay 26 for the Holy Mackerel, same wear, same skin, same effect. Arguably less desirable than the grenade. https://gyazo.com/0dc6981015309132f25b10d5c62c5a38

Edit: -

Grenade and Neon-ween both sold

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17289;15;u701;w3;pk289 $119.99 (71 keys)

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/206;15;u702;w2;pk418 $69.99 (42 keys)

Bringing the sale to 113 keys which they paid 67 for.

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Hot+Neon-ween+War+Paint+%28Field-Tested%29&at=2023-11-11T21%3A29%3A00.000Z for the Neon-ween

nothing for the Grenade Launcher, except well.. The Mackerel, buy orders are at the same

https://gladiator.tf/time-machine?item=Isotope+Warborn+Holy+Mackerel+%28Minimal+Wear%29&at=2023-11-11T12%3A19%3A00.000Z

Lmao how many times do you have to keep clowning yourself?

Using one sided bp compare after all that self embarassment you have done?

TRADE HISTORY PROOF: Here is the actual trade, it is 67 not 57 you fucking idiot LMFAO: https://i.imgur.com/uLIwH1D.png

B/O for generic isotope grenade is 22.18. You can go add and confirm withthe seller yourself I only offered on the war paint, he wanted to sell the grenade too I said most I could do is match the buy order for that grenade, no chat message log after 15 days. Again, feel free to add him to confirm.

https://next.backpack.tf/classifieds?itemName=Grenade%20Launcher&particle=702&texture=none

BO is 40.37+22.18 = 62.55 and I paid 67 not 57, stop using one sided bp compare you clown, holy fuck you are so ********* it is such a waste of time having to reply to you every time.

Good thing trade history exists.

One-sided compares are sometimes all we can use. Since you intentionally screw up your side of the compare link, either by transferring to Mannco, Marketplace.tf or friends/alt accounts. And since you are mostly unwilling to share trade history, not to mention being an obnoxious character, it's the best proof we have got.

It's also amusing you claimed to have paid 300+ for the Acidic Climate Sightseer + Sunbeams Crone's Dome, yet provide no proof of that and I said that you paid 304, which is over 300. I'm struggling to see your side of the argument here.

Even a report mod has asked for screenshot proof for some trades, which you have failed to provide.

So yes. We have to use one-sided compares, unless you choose to cooperate.

Additional proof:

Hot Mechanized Monster War Paint (Well-Worn) (38)

Paid 20 keys:

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1697673600/1697760000

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561199217839650#!/compare/1697673600/1697760000 - Purchased by cmp for 20 keys here.

Valuation = 38 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198312568780#!/compare/1697932800/1698019200 - Sold for 38 keys by cmp

Apparently I cannot point out any stupidity cuz it is not 'nice' :)

Respectfully you are so clueless and it is a complete waste of time having to reply to you.

How many times have you publicly embarassed yourself here just to be wrong every single time?

You are using one sided bp compare on THEIR side, your assumption doesn't even make sense. How does storing my keys on mannco change THEIR side of bp compare? It doesn't, you just don't even know how backpack compare works as a price mod it is actually comical.

Every time I see 'aDdItIoNAl pRoOf" from Lemons I know it is some dumb shit using one sided bp compare again, lmfao. Literally every single one of your comment was proven wrong, when are you done embarassing yourself??

Sigh, wrong, paid 24: https://i.imgur.com/RfreJdN.png

Wrong again, sold for 28 not 38 (4 key profit): https://i.imgur.com/Dfl82c1.png

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Are you just gonna keep posting a false trade every other day based on one sided compare? At this point you have posted like a dozen 'proof' and ALL OF THEM were wrong, lmfao, do you have any self awareness?

Such a waste of time

Which screenshots did I not provide? Have you tried reading? Every single one I have posted. Please tell me which one is missing? Lmfao

Here you go, it was 305 not 304, but hey that's the closest you have ever gotten, good job! Lmfao

Cool, thanks for posting a normal trade I guess? B/O 282, bought for 305.

https://i.imgur.com/5D7KO5m.png

Can we get a summary of which trades are still being discussed, or held as evidence? This post has become a big mess.

Thanks Dom, I'd love for that to happen. Still waiting for ONE trade to show up that was offered below buy order, oh wait there's none 🤣🤣

Keep guessing with backpack compare tho lol

You should get off your high horse cmp. Just because there is no clear evidence of sharking right now, doesn’t mean you haven’t been involved in morally dubious behavior. It might not be punishable, by a lack of proof. But do not forget you haven’t proven your innocence either, everyone still judges you.

I think this case just needs clearer directions to keep it fair and limit time wasting.

100+ replies here and literally 0 (ZERO!) trade I offered was below the highest buy order, all proven. What else do you need? Thanks

Payin over buy orders doesn't prove anything

i don't know why this entire report has centered on it

you offer shit prices over new unboxed items, you specifically target those unusuals cause buy orders are either low or they do not exist. so please stop saying you paid over buyers as it was some kind of defence .Also stop saying you don't know how to price the unusual you SPECIFICALLY target, i'm less experienced than you and even I can figure out a range where the item will sell. what is happening here proves how backpack.tf rules are not enough to avoid what you're doing, which is disgraceful and awful.

What are you even yapping about? Lmfao. Should traders have a maximum of let's say 20% profit per trade? Just tell me where to draw the line. Paying more than buyers is problematic? With your logic shouldn't 99% of traders be penalized? I don't really get what you are trying to say. Just tell me how you draw the line, give a number or a percentage.

Additional proof to the Stellar Ascent Herald's Helm -

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1703376000/1703894400

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198014383676#!/compare/1703116800/1703376000 - Sold for 400 keys + Aussie Wrench (32)

This was purchased for 250 keys, if you Ctrl+F it is further up in the report.

What does it 'prove" exactly? I paid double over highest buyer and sold it almost 3 months later for a profit. Thanks for pointing a normal trade out? Okay? Lmfao.

Still waiting for ONE, please just show me ONE trade where I offered below buy order, please just ONE. 😭😭😭 You have been yapping so much just to be wrong about every single trade, or now pointing out normal trades, are you ok?? Done replying to you clown, waste of time.

If you have done nothing wrong why change your name and pfp so much? That’s all I can think of you just make yourself look guilty hopefully they go through and make a decision soon

Aww this is the next argument now after failing to find one trade below buy order? Lmao the copium is crazy

I'm guessing you're too low IQ to take a look at my steam profile to see I play Dota at immortal (top 0.1%) ranked level and players change names to avoid having their hero target banned

Lots of you thought I paid below buy orders, all proven wrong 🥱🥱🥱 keep using one sided backpack compare

NOT ONE SINGLE trade was below the highest buyer, please enlighten me what rule was broken here?

Thx

holy fuck babe, you are top 0.1% in dota?? Who the fuck asked 😍😍😍

I'm guess you're too low IQ to take a look at my steam profile to see I play Dota at immortal (top 0.1%) ranked level and players change names to avoid having their hero target banned. 💀💀💀💀

This is a call to make a decision on this case. It is getting embarrassing

yes truly embarassing for these clowns

that being said, if backpack.tf will implement a new rule in the future that states that offering MORE than the highest buy orders is still not enough and will be penalized (since apparently some of you think there is a problem with it), I will happily follow the new rule, I don't know how the rule could be defined though, perhaps you geniuses could suggest some ideas

!bump

come on now what is even happening.

Additional proof:

The Hellspawned Horns Blast Defense (172 keys) that they paid 50 keys for:

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198215429899#!/compare/1698883200/1698969600

was resold for $299.99/$1.74 = 172 keys https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/30863;5;u297

Hot Business Class War Paint (Minimal Wear) (98 keys)

Paid 56 keys

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198092456400#!/compare/1695340800/1695686400

https://backpack.tf/profiles/76561198058954965#!/compare/1695600000/1695686400

Valuation:

Abc resold for $159.99 / $1.64 = 98 keys

https://marketplace.tf/items/tf2/17415;15;u701;w2;pk415

proof of me buying then selling something months later? offered more than highest buyer, new unpriced item

what rule did this break?

zzz

bro just listing regular trades non stop 😭😭 just show me ONE trade where I paid below highest buyer bro. I am begging you please

Hey abc,

I think it never was about paying more than buy orders. Also, please refer to them as buy orders, not buyers. This could be seen as misleading. Many buyers would have offered more than you did, meaning technically you never were the highest buyer. I believe the whole issue is about the frequency of which high profit margins occur. It is abnormal and signals unbalanced trading.

Take care

Would have would have would have, yet I beat others 🥱

Profit is illegal? Then wouldn't most traders be breaking rules? Where do you draw the line? 50%? 20%? Nobody knows whether a trade will be profitable, you can't predict the future.

Hey abc,

Profit is not illegal. But like I stated; it is the frequency at which high profit margins occur. Going over who you have traded with, it is clear that out of the first 26 people you traded with, only 6 had an inventory worth over 500 USD. With confidence, I will state that almost everyone you have traded with had little or no prior experience with trading ''expensive'' TF2 items. Therefore, they are more easily convinced by saying ''I'm the highest buyer'' or any other misleading terms. The pattern you created rightfully makes people doubt the legitimacy and fairness of your business.

I'm trying to stay neutral. Sadly your attitude makes it extremely hard to since you're so unlikable.

"first 26 people" lmao

If only you have the brain to understand these are picked out of 3000+ trades I made last year. What about the other 3000 trades?

When you buy a newly released item you can't know the future what it'll go for later. You seem to lack the brain cells to understand that. I have tons of losses and stuck items.

Just answer me what should I have offered? Pick any hat and give me a number.

If beating all other offers wasn't enough.

Perhaps you can propose a new rule?

You have to offer 10% more than highest buyer? 20% more?

Or if you buy something you can't sell it for 20% more than what you paid for?

Lmao tell me what you would propose.

All you do is whine, wah wah wah. Yet you can't point out ONE trade where I broke any rule, NOR you can propose a new rule because it's literally impossible to gate keep how much someone has to offer beyond the highest buyers.

So I was looking at the transactions above pertaining to cmp and with the backpack rules. It seems like he didn't break any rules. Anyways, this is long over due for the backpack mods to just make a decision. This is just sad for all parties involved.

This is coming from a person who is really good friend with the with the unboxer of the stellar ascent heralds, Alexu. He doesn't even mind, it is what it is. I really don't think it's a cmp issue. It's more of a backpack rules definitely needs to be revamped for sure, because according to the rules, cmp didn't break any rules.

no where in the rules does it state anything about offering above buyorders russell

I mean that's called buying, which we've all done, after all who offers below buy orders, STEVE? The issue is that backpack.tf rules are so weak. That cmp can buy stuff sure above buy orders, which all of us do. Let people like Enderslicer, Honder, Laurentiuu, Frankening can cash out scammers with no problem. When SirDapper made his complaint about the rules and suggested alternatives in the forums. No one ever responded from the mod staff. I mean you were a community you must've known the ins and outs. What's also disappointing is this 3 months hold of no decision made. At the end of the day with whatever outcome that comes, it is what it is.

Russel it's okay, these people are delusional.

Their whole argument is "I feel that it was too low". I asked them "what should I have offered instead?" and they all went quiet.

Deep down they all know it's all arbitrary (of course, unless it's priced in-date, then you should reference that)

Yeah you're exactly right and most won't like it. At the end of the day, it's all opinion based is what I was looking all I'm saying.

There are way bigger fish to fry and these backpack rules have easily let people like Enderslicer, Honder and Laurentiu get away with cashing out scammers.

At least your trades are consented on both sides. Most people won't like it, but from what was shown in this 130+ in comments is a witch hunt, and you're not in the wrong and that's me looking at this whole case thoroughly.

I'm really calling out the mods just to give a decision here. 3 months is far too long.

Nonetheless, good luck on the case, cmp and I mean that genuinely

Like I’ve said many times in the backpack discord, at this point I do not even care if this dude gets banned or not. Backpack’s rules are utter dogshit and really don’t do anything. Obviously, I don’t think the rules will change by the summer update, so be prepared to see my backpack value triple because I offered “above highest buy order”.

Good luck to you ABC

And Russell, you are 100% right, Big Bp’s have just exploited the rules because they know they can’t get banned for it. I think the biggest blow to them would be the “Banning for trading with obvious alts” rule. If I do remember, this rule was removed because bot owners complained about this or something, but sometimes the alt is SO obvious my 9 year old sister would know.

Like recently with Kolt’s trade with the “Nervous Pyro BOT” account, which was the most bullshit one. Even if mods don’t bring this rule back, they should at least ban with common sense.

Anyways this is not the place to talk about this, or anywhere considering mods don’t respond to the forums post even though when people complain their answer is “make a forum post” or “report him”

No I totally get that, Timtee. It's defo frustrating. Here's a link the issue tracker: https://backpack.tf/issue/658752d7b1c5bfca37066fd1 where I enacted the rule. Truly we go back in circles, but I do believe if the whole community bounds together something like this against the big backpacks. I'm sure Backpack Administration will be bound to listen

Thanks you two for actually using reasons instead of emotions lol

No problem, cmp. There's far worse people BP should actually focus on. Do hope they give a response on this issue tracker sooner than later, broski.

..

Please stop posting here linking to other completely unrelated things and talking about unrelated things.

We’ve gone through everything in this report and compiled notes. I’ll come back with a verdict soon

While the mods are finalizing this, I would like to re-iterate some points as the accused

1. Not one single trade was offered below highest buyer, unlike what the accuser thought at first. In the original report (the very top of this thread), Steve thought I paid below highest buyer for many items, but this was proven to be false due to how backpack compare works, or when buyers moved price after, I have shown every single trade history proof to prove it. They dug through 3000+ trades I made past year and still can't find ONE single trade where I offered below highest buyers, because it never happened.
2. Users that were penalized for unbalanced trades (e.g. SoMyNameisMax, Guns) had dozens of trades conducted at magnitudes below highest buyers, that fits an objective criteria. I have zero such trade. In fact, from what I gathered, no one in backpack.tf history had been ruled to do unbalanced trades while simultaneously not having a single trade below highest buyer, since that is basically just 99% of traders.
3. Not only the items were unpriced, they were usually also new event items with volatile market and unknown pricing. The key point here again is there is no objective criteria to value a new item from a new event. I always did my due diligence to make sure to beat other buyers when offering on an unpriced new item.

Just want to provide another reply that we are finalizing this report. Since its long and many comments have been provided both by reporter, other users and the reported user we are looking through everything. A reply will be posted here either by me or Zeus.

The reported user has been banned. Thank you for your report

Link to reported user -> https://backpack.tf/u/76561198058954965

Unbalanced trades = more than highest buyers on new items. Okay

You may argue your ban in your appeal. Not here